1352:, glad you like it! Kstern, go for it!!! Please, other nominations in a separate batch or batches at this stage in the discussion. Liz implied that merger of article sets is far more complex than it seems. She got that point well across after running through the full implications of my proposal for each one of 13 spatial units.
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of their respective boroughs. There's nothing in each but a definition. Their boroughs, which is the previous spatial unit in the
Rotterdam spatial hierarchy, are listed only in the infoboxes, not in the sole phrase. The list mentioned in the directly above opinion is for outgoing links and is a very
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for the top one. Just because they exist doesn't mean there should be useless one-liners for them. Anyone is welcome to actually write a legitimate article with sources, but a redirect is better than junk like this. These are smaller neighborhoods within official districts and don't have presumed
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Redirect. And if you prefer a Redirect, please be kind to the discussion closer and specify what the redirect target should be for each article that is nominated.
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Can you explain why the neighborhoods are "very notable"? I'm asking with genuine interest in both the topic and the WP rules. The main article only mentions submunicipalities (possible synonym of "borough") as administrative divisions (see
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