263:. Outside the Forbes article, all other mentions are from the very unreliable walled garden of cross-referencing bitcoin trade journals, which seemingly exist only to reinforce the view that this is a reliable 'industry' (but that's off-topic outside of the serious reliability issue with those sources). Anyway, those other sources are generally rewritten press-releases, so not reliable, and generally not in-depth either. The single Forbes source, outside of being, well, single (GNG requires multiple) is problematic too. The author is a journalism student, and not a proper journalist yet. And anyway, Forbes contributors are little better than blog:
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