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263:. Outside the Forbes article, all other mentions are from the very unreliable walled garden of cross-referencing bitcoin trade journals, which seemingly exist only to reinforce the view that this is a reliable 'industry' (but that's off-topic outside of the serious reliability issue with those sources). Anyway, those other sources are generally rewritten press-releases, so not reliable, and generally not in-depth either. The single Forbes source, outside of being, well, single (GNG requires multiple) is problematic too. The author is a journalism student, and not a proper journalist yet. And anyway, Forbes contributors are little better than blog: 454:. The latter may or may not be a paid listing (the Quora link you provided is an utterly unreliable source), but the former is a product researched and published by Bloomberg's journalists in competition with Forbes' billionaire list. And there's no way anyone can pay to get their name listed on either the Bloomberg or Forbes billionaire list. And what's up with your habit of using random internet blogs to attack two of the best known business publishers? It makes your arguments look totally ridiculous. - 810:" So it's not a mainstream news, it is a niche trade journal/website, and there's a big problem with bitcoins in this - there's a bunch of self-referencing sites like this which serve to seemingly just promote the idea that this is a big and reliable industry, since news of it are covered on many "news sites". So, overall I see two weak and two bad sources here. Sorry, I am not going to withdraw my nom, I think the subject still fails at GNG. -- 421:). And the Yahoo coverage fails in-depth, it is about Bitmain, and just mentions him as a founder a few times. It is a decent source for his company notability, but a poor one for him (since it is about the company, not him, doh). If anyone needs a trout, it's you for trying to use low quality sources to promote spammy bios. Such individuals can use Bloomberg for advertising, but not Knowledge (XXG). -- 875:, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability", and there are thousands of sources about him, including substantial ones such as the Bloomberg Billionaires Index profile. Altogether they provide a relatively complete picture of his life and achievements. - 514:, AFD nominators are required to consider all sources available, not just sources currently included in the article. In any case, I've added additional sources and info from Bloomberg and Forbes to the article, which should settle the matter. It's getting late for me, I'll add more sources tomorrow if I have time. - 733:
Oh, IMHO those profile pages can be considered as reliable sources but not the sources that can provide objective evidence of notability. Bloomberg/Forbes makes a page for them just because they are the richest people (different from the media that generally report notable people or events). However
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Thanks for pumping up the sources a bit, though they're presently just two directory entries and one passing mention for a fact that's really about Bitmain. I do feel we need more than this - you can't just say "there are sources!", we actually need them at least checkably listed. I've removed the
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Just mentions him in one paragraph due to his wealth, seems more about the company then him. Fails in-depth 3) Fails in depth. He is mention in passing in a short paragraph together with others who made it into "Hurun Research Institute's 2018 Hurun Block Chain Rich List", a source used for other
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I removed the Huoxing Finance source as it's superfluous anyway, and added several others, including another Bloomberg article ranking him as the world's 9th richest self-made billionaire under 40. And I suggest that you stop wasting your time trying to dismiss each source as insubstantial. Per
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AFD is based on notability judged by all available sources, not on quality of the article (and the Bloomberg and Forbes billionaire listings are easily found from a Google search). Otherwise we'd automatically delete the millions of substubs on Knowledge (XXG). This should be obvious per
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His independent notability can still be challenged. Apart from the Bloomberg and Forbes profile pages, I cannot find any news articles that introduce him independently (They are either related to the company and the other co-founder or mentioned in a list of billionaires).
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The only reference is to a Forbes contributor blog, i.e. a non-RS. We have literally no references as yet. The article can be recreated as a standalone when there are actual RSes to use. Until then, a redirect is appropriate -
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billionaires are not automatically notable. Significant independent coverage from the media are required. It is not easy to find but there are some including the journal though I did not find before.
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is far more than a directory listing. If you scroll down the page, there's a detailed biography from his birthday to his dinner with Wu Jihan which led to Bitmain's founding. The
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articles as well. 4) While it is about the company, it does mention the subject in almost every paragraph, so it passes in-depth, I think. But it fails reliability, due to "
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If both Bloomberg and Forbes billionaire profile pages and Hurun Report ranking as world's #1 crypto billionaire are not sufficient for you, then you're not adhering to
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If you consider that Forbes blog a 'reliable source', after the explanation I provided, it's clear we have a problem. Bloomberg Profile is a self-published source (
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guidelines and making up your own rules. The other sources are just icing on the cake, and a lot more in-depth Chinese sources are available including
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provides an overview of his biography in few paragraphs, the first half of the article. Passes in-depth, I guess. Reliable? Possible. Publisher:
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has added detailed Chinese sources, and I've expanded the article based on them and added more info from Hurun Report and other sources. -
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Ha, so I provide a detailed analysis of the sources and your counter is a personal attack? Good way to impress others, I am sure. --
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is also a stand-alone profile with fairly detailed personal information, standard for all Forbes billionaires.
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Has some trivial mentions from Chinese sources (though reliable) and they are mostly related to the company
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So nope, it's not a quality in-depth coverage, it's effectively is an in-depth brand-name blog coverage.
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Huoxing24 is a financial information portal that provides global 24-hour coverage of blockchain news.
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I have just added better RS about his success from Chinese major media, as it easily passes GNG.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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contributor blog - that's a completely unacceptable source for a BLP -
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Thank you for the sources. Analysis (based on Google Translate): 1)
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of his Chinese name produces more than 1,000 news articles. -
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or the other co-founder. Lacks independent notability. --
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Not can, have to - if you want your vote to be counted.
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richest cryptocurrrency billionaire in the world, see
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It's a matter of sourcing - this should be obvious -
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