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Contact me for verification. From S.W. excerpts "hi my name is ... it affected all of us then and now as we are reminded of it everytime he comes up for parole. wikipedia should not erase ...am sorry for all the hell you go through not just now but everyday. S.W. is a reader/customer of
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Not a valid option. The consensus (even me, the creator of the Joseph Didier article) seem to agree that this article, the MURDER of Joseph Didier should be the surviving article as it's the event that is regionally notable and the person wasn't notable prior to his murder (except to his family and
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have had continued coverage and discussion over many decades, have been the subject of books, and have influenced society. This crime has had plenty of time to demonstrate its historical impact, and none is evident. Not all newsworthy things are encyclopedic. Old newspaper articles still count as
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Perhaps, but both articles are written by the same person, the content is almost exactly the same except for one sentence that essentially says "because this happened in 1975 there will not be onlie references." It's a newer user, so I'm assuming good faith, but it's essentially a poorly planned
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I prefer "Murder of X" articles to articles purporting to be a biography of an otherwise non-notable murder victim. The murder did no apparently result in any new "Megan's Law" or "Amber Alert" and the article should be deleted for reasons better stated at the essay
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Apparently, there were two people murdered in the '70s named Joseph Didier. One was a teen murdered by a man named Robert Lower, but the Denver references are about a 26 year old man murdered in Denver by a man named Marvin Gray.
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