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279:, as is often claimed; the notability of the artist is not based upon whether or not the label has an article, although this is sometimes used as a lazy shorthand. There are many labels without articles that fit these criteria. Much as we do with artists who are members of more than one clearly notable band but who are not themselves the subject of extensive news coverage, I think it is sensible to do the same with labels. Maybe not for one or two notable bands, but if a label has or had a roster of half a dozen or a dozen notable acts, this is evidence of cultural importance. The actual number and length of time to "pass muster" can be decided on case-by-case bases, but it's thoroughly destructive to go about deleting plainly important things based upon a Procrustean yardstick. 252:
is a silly straitjacket to be judging independent record labels by. Let's think about what makes record labels noteworthy (in the real world). Well, what they do is put out records; people know and care about them because of the music they put out into the world. The story, then, is the artists much
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to come up with a standard of worth for labels which have a clear cultural importance based upon the music they release. Which it actually does, buried in the artists' section - a label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of many notable musicians. This is not circular and does not
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do this in comparison with how much they write about musicians. They generally do this only for major labels (whose business is large enough to make the financial papers) and labels which become so venerable and storied as to be iconic
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Non-notable record company who do not establish stand alone notability with significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources per the
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more often than the label, and news agencies know this, which is why they very rarely write full articles about labels; in fact, they almost
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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to their label. Article was tagged, sources searched for, but noting of substance was found.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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Juliancolton

14:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Murderecords
Murderecords
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
notability guidelines for companies and organizations
automatically transfer
 Esradekan Gibb 
03:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
list of Business-related deletion discussions
 Esradekan Gibb 
03:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
list of Music-related deletion discussions
 Esradekan Gibb 
03:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
here
here

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