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Knowledge (XXG) does best. But to, at the same time, intentionally remove a sourced, well-written article on a topic in Korean society is to intentionally push cultural myopia and bias onto Knowledge (XXG). We should work
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English language Knowledge (XXG); the Korean Wiki is a better place for this (anyone know the status of that article). I would also disagree that the protests are in any way notable as well. People on the
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require the author of the article to be the creator of the "thing made up one day." This article even states: "...this word was a sarcastic term created by a netizen..." so it seems clear to me. Your
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the government in question. Also, how is this not historical important? The government is showing it's solution to social unrest! That's usually pretty important.
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