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711:, ideology quantitative and qualitative evidence with the origin of species differences and evolution according to Darwin (1859). And this was 50-100 years earlier than the hypothetical themes of the "noosphere" from Vernadsky and Chardin (1955). 2. "The appearance of life - abiogenesis" - is not disputed. Why is "the emergence of intelligence - noogenesis" and its modern biological and neuroscience component questioned? Moreover, according to the Encyclopædia Britannica: "the appearance of nervous systems and thinking" refers to two of the five 952:– "an article that addresses a concept that may be difficult to write about because because it covers the sometimes-amorphous relationship between a wide range of related concepts". There are related concepts (See also) and many books. So, it's clear that this is a notable topic which readers (130,000 readings of current version) will be expecting to find here. There have been attempts to address this and in XXI century and, if they have yet to fully mature that's ok per policy 892:
and how it evolved is a fascinating question concerning evolutionary biology, neuroscience, and behaviorism - The evolution of intelligence is an especially important part of human evolution, as the intellectual faculties of humans (such as language, tool usage, etc) are its most distinguishing features. The current article is far too convoluted with irrelevant and insane gibberish to discuss this properly. If irrelevant junk cannot be stripped from the article, I suggest we
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there's such a concept as pseudo- for philosophy, or for ideas or generalizations such as this. for deletion. As one of his key concepts, the encyclopedia needs an article. It is far too complicated in its ramifications to include within the article in de Chardin ."the current article has been filled with so much junk," is not a reason for deletion, but for rewriting.
669:. Whatever one may think about the validity of the concept, there's a notable topic here that pops up in Teilhardinism and not a few later works. But the current state of the article is not defensible - lots of synthesis, sprawling excursions, preaching without qualifying, and at times pretty much descending into gibberish. The 1054:, and this quality problem has apparently just been getting worse, not better, because the only person interested in writing this article is also the source of all these problems, and has been trying to game this AFD with sock puppetry. It's no good suggesting we keep and expecting others to fix or rewrite it (see 445:
and related subjects. It is not. The alleged creators of this theory(?) have biographical articles. One might expect it to be covered there. It is not. It seems to have been added to quite a lot of "See also" sections though. So this is... What? A neologism? A non-notable fringe theory? A POVFORK? A
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I tend to think this is as much philosophy as neuroscience--its essentially philosophical speculations about science, as in my opinion is much of the work of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. If I were to rewrite it I would emphasise the philosophic aspects, and i for speculations of this sort, I don't
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which makes sense considering that's the only notable use of the term that I can find and the other stages of "genesis" that he lists have uses and considerations that extend far beyond his philosophical jaunts. I submit that we can adequately cover what is meant by this term and how it was used by
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This is a major intellectual concept popularized by a major philosopher/scientist. Personally, I do not think it helpful, and I will admit I feel pretty much the same about most of that author's ideas. But that's not a reason why I hsould want it deleted. It's not pseudoscience. I don't even think
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The term "noogenesis" is valid, however the current article has been filled with so much junk, it largely misses the point by yapping about nonsense like "the global intellectual system" and "Super Intellect realizing itself as Global Intelligence on Earth". Where neuronal "intelligence" came from
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The current article appears to have incorporated a lot of Eryomin material that is difficult to find elsewhere. On the other hand, the topic is mentioned in relation to views on evolution (including some pseudoscientific) and in the context of
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since the subject itself is probably noteable even though somewhat esoteric, but this article seems to be heavily influenced by one author and should be rewritten by someone knowledgeable. There are 926 mentions in google scholar.
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and also mentioned de Chardin but not Eryomin. Considering that we already have an article about de Chardin but that it has no content on noogenesis, a possible solution would be merging some minimal content there...
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hoax? Who knows exactly? The one thing I'm pretty sure of is that it is not an encyclopaedic subject and that this article, and any walled garden of similar related articles, about this non-topic should be deleted. --
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and a lot of pseudoscience. Nothing worth salvaging. Furthermore, who would even do the rewriting, since apparently the only people editing the article were the puppetmaster and their socks?
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Consensus seems to be moving towards either redirecting and covering elsewhere or keeping/cleaning up. Further discussion along those lines, in particular, would be helpful.
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There seem to be enough peer-reviewed articles in Google Scholar to prove this is a valid term. Article could probably use a re-write...
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You appear to admit being the same as ירמיהו - פרוגנוזה above. If so, this would be a second/double vote, and done under block evasion (
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is a different subject, just as evolution and biosphere are different subjects, and this is not only Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.
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but nevertheless has enough reliable sources, citations, and publications. Not overtly promotional and still informative.
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is actually a better article than that, if a few refs were ported over. Another option would be a partial merge to
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would require condensing it down to a paragraph or so, I think - also an option but a lot more restrictive. --
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the rewrite?" is a question I have for many articles I see come through AfD, this among them.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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It's a thought, but I note that the version you suggest has a tag that proposes merging to
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among others. It needs to be deleted as attempted redirects to, for example,
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1. The emergence and evolution of intelligence ("noogenesis") (published in
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and it is for this reason that the Noogenesis deserves to be on Knowledge -
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Teilard de Chardin at his biography. I have no objection to a redirect.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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As seen from Doherty and Chardin, this is an interdisciplinary
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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independent of, say, the normal philosophical approach of
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and other editors pointed out, there is a problem of
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