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there's such a concept as pseudo- for philosophy, or for ideas or generalizations such as this. for deletion. As one of his key concepts, the encyclopedia needs an article. It is far too complicated in its ramifications to include within the article in de
Chardin ."the current article has been filled with so much junk," is not a reason for deletion, but for rewriting.
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and related subjects. It is not. The alleged creators of this theory(?) have biographical articles. One might expect it to be covered there. It is not. It seems to have been added to quite a lot of "See also" sections though. So this is... What? A neologism? A non-notable fringe theory? A POVFORK? A
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which makes sense considering that's the only notable use of the term that I can find and the other stages of "genesis" that he lists have uses and considerations that extend far beyond his philosophical jaunts. I submit that we can adequately cover what is meant by this term and how it was used by
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This is a major intellectual concept popularized by a major philosopher/scientist. Personally, I do not think it helpful, and I will admit I feel pretty much the same about most of that author's ideas. But that's not a reason why I hsould want it deleted. It's not pseudoscience. I don't even think
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