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have existed in the past, and were merged with this article. Yes, a camp article could exist without an article on the council. However, I am not advocating on articles about the camps. If you look below, there are at least four articles about the council, and then there are those tha cover the camp.
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I think the proposer came to the wrong place. All the the discussion were about improvements needed in the article, not about valid reasons for deletion of the article. The topic would clearly meet GNG. BTW, I think "promotional" is too strong of a term......"self descriptive" would be a better
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Perhaps AfD was the wrong forum, but yes, that's essentially what I'm proposing. But, not everything, not even half as you suggest below. The vast majority of this is trivia and needs to be dropped. This has been tagged for improvements of various kinds for years, so I don't have much optimism
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with a redirect left behind. The vast majority is low-level trivia, as noted in
January. Garden State Council in the parent article is a good example of what makes sense. Much of it ("By drawing on the strengths of each of these individual councils and merging them together, the Northern New
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Admittedly, about half of what's here should be cut out. However, the remaining information is notable. I would suggest that someone take the time to thoroughly edit this work. I'm sure that we can find sources to substantiate most of what's here. Redirect this to
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Kean is a political speech by the state governor. I can't find the full text, but from the abstract linked to on Google Books, it doesn't sound very significant to me. If you have a source for the full text, I'd be happy to look at it in more
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None of these sources are talking about the council. They are (mostly) talking about camps that the council owns. But, the key point is that there is no
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Council has committed itself to offering the finest Scouting programs, increasing membership and providing strong, supportive leadership") is
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