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707:. And under the references and in the content there are no mentions of any significance of his role outside of Alameda County, so I am confused as to why you drew that point to the page about Miley yet there is no mentions of this on Keith Carson's page. Also, for the notable sources, I looked on Keith Carson's page and there is a website that has information provided by himself and other media sources. And in my page I included sources from and not limited to: The San Francisco Examiner, East Bay Times, East Bay Citizens, and SFGate. So what other sources do I need to consult in order to avoid my page being deleted and how should I prove his notability, if he doesn't have an international impact (similar to Keith Carson)? Thank you. Also this is similar to Wilma Chan, who also has her own Knowledge (XXG) page: 333:
international, hence there would solely be domestic sources detailing his role. Also, I have gotten information from press releases so I am confused on how to cite them because they are a downloadable pdf sent to me directly (so if I could have guidance on that, that would be great!). I was also wondering if you could point out the "padded trivia" as I am not sure to what you are referring with this term. It also would be helpful if you could explain what "media" coverage is, as my understanding is that media coverage refers to articles on websites. Finally, again if you could explain "geographic range" as I am confused on how this applies to a member in public government who is solely responsible for a certain district. Thank you.
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retrieving reputable sources (press releases) from them. So in order for my article to not get deleted, I am wondering what are the concrete steps I need to take? I understand that I need to prove his notability and I will also be in the process of that as he has pioneered many things and I am sure that I will be able to provide the sources and fulfill the other requirements Knowledge (XXG) says. Thank you.
52:. Consensus that NPOL is not met, without sufficient non-local coverage to show notability in the subject's position. Creator hasn't noted addition of sourcing in a week. For clarity's sake, I should note that the presence of articles for other members of the Alameda County Board of Supervisors doesn't infer notability here - if nothing else, their articles may also not show notability. 432:
Hello Bearcat. Thank you for the quick response and answers to my question. This is my first time crafting a Knowledge (XXG) Article so please excuse my lack of knowledge. Also, my apologies for the lack of specificity in regards to the phrase "working closely", I simply meant I am in the process of
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it is, if you eyeball its length alone — but when you actually analyze the content, you notice that it's padded with a lot of trivia that isn't adding anything of noteworthy substance (an entire paragraph devoted just to the legal definition of "unincorporated community" has nothing whatsoever to do
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Hi KidAd. Ok thank you for letting me know. Would I be able to add the reputable sources and this would allow the page to be published, also I forgot to mention this, but this was a first draft and it was my mistake to move it into Knowledge (XXG) as I meant to keep it in my sandbox. Hence, would I
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You can't honestly need somebody to actually define "media" for you: but media is not just any webpage that exists, it's newspapers and magazines and radio or television stations and books. It's not blogs, it's not the city's own website about itself, it's not the websites of organizations — it's
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Ok Bearcat. Thank you for letting me know, I appreciate your diligence and willingness to explain these things to me. After, I retrieve reputable sources, how will I need to prove his notability and what steps will I need to take after that to avoid deletion. Also, what is the timeline like for
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Hello, my name is Kendall Harris and I made the wikipedia page for Nate Miley. I have been working closely with Miley's Communications Advisor and receiving many updates from them. So I am a little confused on why I need to have sources that are not exclusively "local", when his role is not
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have pages, and I assume there is far more local and regional coverage of current incumbents than Miley, who served from 1992 to 2000. As others have previously mentioned, no source on Miley supports his significance outside of Alameda County.
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special than most other county councillors, and it is not enough to just verify that he exists. That's why you need to show more than just local sources: because you need to show a reason why anybody outside Alameda County should
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be allowed to move the article back into the sandbox, add the sources, and then move it back to Knowledge (XXG) and gain feedback from editors like yourself? Thank you again and my apologies for the misunderstanding.
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Press releases from the subject aren't acceptable sourcing, because they aren't independent of the subject if he or his communications staff wrote the press releases themselves. You need
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nominations of deletion, ie. how much time will I get to retrieve these sources and then achieve the following steps to keep from page from being deleted? Thank you so much again.
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before this AfD discussion is over, which I have seen happen, though I am not confident about that happening in this case. If you do add a significant amount of
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Pages must be evaluated individually. I'm not saying that it's impossible for people in the same position to be notable, but they need to have accrued
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stuff written by real journalists, in real media outlets that people consult when they want to know the news, independently of the subject.
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coverage, and there's not nearly enough of that here to make him more notable than the norm for a not automatically notable role.
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hinge on the ability to use the city or county government's own self-published website as technical verification that the subject
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He is a councilman of a major city. That should say it all. I know there are those who believe that city council members are not
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accept city or county councillors as "inherently" notable just because they exist. City and county councillors have to pass a
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that aren't support for notability at all. You have to plod all the way to footnote #24 (skip past #23, it's a
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Hello. Thank you all for the feedback. I wanted to direct your attention to this wikipedia page:
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Well, for starters, the fact that his role is local rather than international places a
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with making Miley notable, frex), and that it's referenced far, far too heavily to
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higher burden of significance than just being minimally sourceable as existing.
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Nate Miley, but merely namechecks his existence in the process of being
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rules: working closely with the subject's communications advisor is
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Also, the sources need to be in-depth about the article's subject.
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reliable, independent sources that address the subject in detail
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Alameda_County_Board_of_Supervisors
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While I previously worked to clean this page of gratuitous
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shoulders to justify why he needs to be in Knowledge (XXG)
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Hi KidAd. OK, I just looked at Keith Carson's page:
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