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international, hence there would solely be domestic sources detailing his role. Also, I have gotten information from press releases so I am confused on how to cite them because they are a downloadable pdf sent to me directly (so if I could have guidance on that, that would be great!). I was also wondering if you could point out the "padded trivia" as I am not sure to what you are referring with this term. It also would be helpful if you could explain what "media" coverage is, as my understanding is that media coverage refers to articles on websites. Finally, again if you could explain "geographic range" as I am confused on how this applies to a member in public government who is solely responsible for a certain district. Thank you.
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retrieving reputable sources (press releases) from them. So in order for my article to not get deleted, I am wondering what are the concrete steps I need to take? I understand that I need to prove his notability and I will also be in the process of that as he has pioneered many things and I am sure that I will be able to provide the sources and fulfill the other requirements
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Hi KidAd. Ok thank you for letting me know. Would I be able to add the reputable sources and this would allow the page to be published, also I forgot to mention this, but this was a first draft and it was my mistake to move it into
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You can't honestly need somebody to actually define "media" for you: but media is not just any webpage that exists, it's newspapers and magazines and radio or television stations and books. It's not blogs, it's not the city's own website about itself, it's not the websites of organizations — it's
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Kendall Harris and I made the wikipedia page for Nate Miley. I have been working closely with Miley's Communications Advisor and receiving many updates from them. So I am a little confused on why I need to have sources that are not exclusively "local", when his role is not
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