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More than a DICDEF (I'm tired of seeing that used as a feeble excuse to delete stuff), as it also includes some history of its early use and popularisation. We do phrases (examples abound) and where a phrase has some history associated with it, rather than a single quotable utterance, it belongs here
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Don't patronise me. I don't want it cleaned up, I'm beyond that - I tried it, I searched for sources, I concluded that they don't exist. It is not notable, you have shown no significant discussion of this phrase. Vaguewaves are not sufficient arguments.
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