632:- while contemporary relations are at a relative low level (though still notable), early 20th century relations and the government level cooperation in the whaling industry in the 19th and early 20th century are of high significance. We should avoid the pitfall to only look at the last ten years, but sadly that is how many articles are structured here on Knowledge.
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relations between the "peoples" of those countries, a form or relations. Your continued arguments, Libstar, that the concept of "relations" between countries is not supported by the definition of the word "relations". Your repeated attempts to remove sourced information from these articles, then nominate them for deletion
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that some of the "articles" you found such as the
Norwegian church in sydney have nothing to do with relations? secondly, you can find evidence of the NZ and norwegian government talking to each other during the Tampa affair? I will continue to nominate articles as I see fit. you have not discouraged me at all.
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you've given a the NZ govt foreign affairs website as the reference for these official visits. yes you can find third party sources for the visits by the Prime
Ministers, but for the ministers? seems little third party coverage for that. and I doubt the visit of a "Select Committee on Finance" didn't
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There is no magic number when reached that make it go from not-notable to notable. We also are not required to "say" anything. We can present facts without commentary. If
Knowledge required us to present commentary for every fact, we would have to eliminate every chart and list in Knowledge. No one
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That official visits has been exchanged says nothing either way about the existence of a "New
Zealand – Norway relations" topic. You need to find sources with that or a similar subject, not simply declare the visits as evidence of notable relations. We go by what reliable secondary sources, and not
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Coverage by third party sources exists for these visits. If you don't think that the Tampa affair effected the relations between Norway and New
Zealand, you're just wrong. And most of those articles I linked to have to do with direct relations between the governments. The others have to do with the
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i believe the issue of nationx/nationy relations has been discussed on WP, with a guideline to NOT create articles unless there are substantial relations. otherwise, we end up with thousands of useless stub articles, placeholders for future information. having said that, it appears that people have
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I've considered the additions and the articles on the talk page, I don't believe together they indicate significant relations: one off state visits (these 2 countries rarely have state visits), the fact that NZ acted with 11 other countries, tangential link of an Asian
Pacific religious conference
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Unless there is more than can be put in the articles called "Foreign relations of Norway" or "Foreign relations of New
Zealand", a separate article is not merited. The article's author would not have been aware of the Groubani articles controversy that existed in the first few months of 2009, but
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visits are leaders or heads of state only. my point stands, there still only appears to be 2 known state visits between these 2 countries in the last 20 years. ministerial meetings happen around the world every day of the year. "Select
Committee on Finance" is not even a Minister. do you concede
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there have been at least 50 bilateral articles that have been deleted even though they have had "official visits". simply having official visits is not a guarantee of notability. since Norway was formed in 1905 there have only ever been 2 state visits between Norway and NZ. 2 state visits in 104
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sure there is no magic number but 2 state visits in 104 years since the existence of Norway does not say much about actual relations between these countries. many people bring up multiple bilateral agreements...it appears that there are hardly any agreements between these countries. perhaps the
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There have been several official visits, the whaling issue is a prominent dispute. Plenty of third party sources if people actually spend time the time to look for them. (see the talk page for a few I found in about five minutes).
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So when Obama picks up his Nobel prize and then goes to the climate talks, we have to delete references to one of them, right, they can't both be notable unless he goes back to Washington and starts from there. Very silly notion.
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Cooperation Statement in December 1997. Human rights, international security, disarmament, Antarctic issues, oceans issues, and climate change are all areas where engagement with Norway has proved particularly useful."
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