1461:. I was brought here, like many others by Wiggins2, or as he wants to be called, "Wiggie". I think we shouldn't be so quick to shoot him down, as I, & probably many others, are grateful for his post to draw our attention to this subject. I wouldn't mind if the other "side" did the same. But we cannot ignore the fact that this is defintely going to open wikipedia into two halves; Those who want to keep. Those who don't. I.E. Christians, & others. However, this should not be about religion. I would be ashamed of the christians on here if they only voted to keep the articles because they were christian orientated. This should strictly be business as usual, even though it does seem strange an editor would nominate so many christian articles. Maybe a hidden agenda? If an article's crap, then it should be deleted. Being an inclusionist, I will probably keep the most mundane article. However, the list of notable people list is like many others, & should not be here. To do so would be obvious bias. I ask everyone to not be drawn in with a strict "You're wrong, I'm right" situation, but be open & find a way to keep peaceful....
461:. It's just occurred to me, however, that if someone wrote those kinds of things about someone Gastrich didn't like, he'd demand a "citation." We've seen that enough times. If Gastrich doesn't like or doesn't agree with the comments or information, he demands citations, yet posts most of his claims about his personal heroes without providing much in the way of proof. There are no citations for any of the claims about Weaver. I'm convinced. Dump it. -
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If it is kept for that reason it should be merged with LBU. Afterall other than LBU's link at the bottom there are no sources. As for the place where he got 3 out of 4 of his non-LBU related degrees (Baptist
Christian University is LBU), do a search for that school, "Eastern Baptist Institute." That
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This is a perfectly viable encyclopedia article on a public institution that could very well be the subject of someone's research in the future. In such an event, wikipedia would come in handy. That is what wikipedia is for. I haven't heard a single good argument to why this should be deleted. When
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I appreciate (and encourage) your attention to detail, but I'm the Admin who locked the LBU article and had the distinct pleasure of wading through the NewsGroupish debating/bickering to try and get it moving forward. So I'm familiar with the situation... too familiar. :"D You're making a good case
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we don't know how many people this guy is notable to. More importantly if LBU barely escaped its own deletion, why should its "President" who has 5 unaccredited degrees, unknown books/readers and uncited awards get his own. Yes, it is important to have some facts about the "President," but if this
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Christian schools, that might qualify, along with his presiding over a pretty significant growth of the Gospel Music Network. All of those things together might be reasonably notable,
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There;s nothing wrong with calling people who want to delete this as having "bad faith"? Please that's pressuring a certain preception to the reader who clicks on the link. BTW I just check the last 8 posts you made all to keep the links in the email above...
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1183:"Something very funny happened today. I got two identical emails from Jason Gastrich through Knowledge. You can make up your own mind as to whether this qualifies for meat-puppetry or stacking the vote. Here's the email. --
933:. If WikiMedia Foundation sets up a fully linked in WikiBiography, I would support moving these minor notables over to it. Until then, they have enough connection with people, organizations, and issues to keep around. --
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318:Speedy keep
63:Neal Weaver
52:a.n.o.n.y.m
1269:Sincerely,
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1463:Spawn Man
1186:Cyde Weys
1175:ATTENTION
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662:you know?
658:Just zis
547:Cyde Weys
542:evolution
491:Logophile
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358:Watch Out
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