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racketeering. His gang of bouncers controlled the night clubs in
Cologne's entertainment district, the Ring, where they befriended girls in order to exploit them as prostitutes. After Arabaci's arrest, informants overhead threats against the responsible prosecutor who received police protection and fled the country in 2007 when Arabci was deported to Turkey." on
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In the last AfD (see this), I've tried to translate the relevant parts of the sources, and also tried to gave the non-German-speaking contributors to the AfD a feeling what kind of newspapers the sources are. Note, that in this discussion, I voted for deletion. However some months later I tend
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