327:: Not BLP1E because Cherry has gone on record herself as discussing this; unfortunately what are considered reliable sources within the porn industry don't necessarily get the same recognition at Wiki. Luke Ford is controversial, but one of the reasons why he's controversial is he isn't an industry mouthpiece, which actually makes him more of a reliable source than some others; his only problem is he's a blog and Wiki still has its head back in the 1990s when it comes to blogs being "unreliable sources". That's going to have to change now that we've had media such as CNN acknowledge that blogs, Twitter, and other "unreliable" sources came of age as source of record during the Mumbai attacks. Of course we need to follow BLP on any article, but the fact is for porn stars we need to expand our criteria beyond front-page stories in the New York Times and Forbes for these people. And as Ford observes, the 97 scare was ignored by the
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