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415:. The subject lacks notability for a biography; the controversy over the photographs however was notable, and people who come across the images may appreciate learning something about the story's background. I'm not sure how much historical notability the case has or will have; it still appears to be ongoing in the appellate court, if I read this article from June 2009 correctly: 680:
agree strongly with Jayen that having a Knowledge (XXG) article on this subject if anything reduces harm emotional to the family. The point there is not that we should be compensating for bad behavior of others but that if we are going to seriously consider issues of emotional harm then we should take them in the full context.
222:. The subject in herself fails notability, whatever about the incident and the aftermath. Though she is deceased, the criteria around BLP still largely apply here. Furthermore, the subsequent legal case surrounding this incident was dismissed. I see absolutely no reason why this biography should be kept. 679:
Subject is dead so BLP name doesn't strictly apply. Given the renaming to focus on the controversy there's really no issue. There's no NOTNEWS are similar problem since the issue of the photos has been discussed repeatedly by a variety of reliable sources over the course of a long timespan. Also
276:. While the subject of the article is not subject to BLP policies, her family, who make up a large proportion of the article, are. I have no problem categorising this as a BLP1E, and should be deleted under the principle of 'do no harm' anyway. 471:, and it is not inappropriate to write about that. As the article makes clear, her family seek publicity, wanting something good to come out of the case eventually, which weakens the BLP argument, provided our coverage remains sensitive. -- 297:, although the article is not strictly a biography of Nikki Catsouras. People regularly discuss these disturbing photos on the Internet message boards, and the article provides some detailed background material on what actually happened.-- 528:, leads to important issues of ethics on the Internet. Nikki's parents accepted long ago that they will never eradicate all of the photos, although they have had some limited success. When people do a Google search on " 180: 87: 114: 109: 118: 101: 141: 662:. Sensational, disturbing, shows how badly people behave, yes; but historically notable? No. (And it's not our business to compensate for the excesses of Encyclopedia Dramatica). 325: 174: 82: 105: 333: 405: 362: 97: 658:- article is certainly vastly better, and I have thought hard about whether to change my "delete" !vote above; but I still feel this fails 51:
The nomination is no longer really applicable for that reason, though it may be renominated on different grounds if anyone wishes to.
17: 689: 671: 650: 616: 595: 577: 561: 514: 484: 456: 434: 387: 352: 314: 285: 268: 238: 66: 366:, I moved the article back(?) because it simply was not primarily about the controversy but the individual (For example it starts 195: 162: 464: 416: 704: 36: 259:
no legal liability, no changes in the law - it cannot be argued that there is any "historical notability" about this.
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One way or another, this deserves to be in Knowledge (XXG). The controversy over the leakage of the photos satisfies
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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in the first place. The focus of the article should be on the legal issues that the case raised.--
589: 544:, we should be looking at ways of covering the case that are within Knowledge (XXG) guidelines.-- 478: 428: 540:, which is tasteless and contains the uncensored photos. Rather than arguing about issues like 685: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
168: 667: 264: 659: 444: 294: 255:: an unfortunate accident, distasteful behaviour in the aftermath, a short-term sensation, 252: 219: 494: 409: 72: 533: 631: 569: 448: 379: 277: 584: 473: 423: 681: 547: 500: 368:"Nicole "Nikki" Catsouras (March 4, 1988 – October 31, 2006) was an American woman" 338: 300: 135: 378:.). Refocusing (and retitling) the article might alleviate some of the concerns. 663: 635: 601: 260: 223: 443:
Wouldn't trying to predict the potential future impact of the case be somewhat
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We can't speculate one way or the other. But reputable sources like
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Page moved and roughly refocused, don't know if it will stick.
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and revise accordingly. Note that the article was moved to
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and it may well end up influencing future legislation:
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Agree that it was a mistake to rename the article to
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