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532:, and if it were not for these connections, they would be 'nobodies' in the business world, as is already evident by the total lack of third party resources on these subsidiaries which are not 1) press releases, 2) puff pieces or 3) pieces which mention these subsidiaries merely in passing. Which begs the question, do you have any credible third-party resources which provides information on these companies which can be used in encyclopaedic content, or which can be used to expand on these stubs? -- 545:
another company is automatically non-notable. I suppose just about all state companies in the world must be removed overnight for almost singularly supporting theor respective Government as well? Do you even bother to read up on each article, and find out how much market share or client base they have to stake your claims? Finally, are you using AfD as some kind of an mechanism to push for the expansion of articles?--
358:, which appears to be a company. If one of the companies involved grows to the point that it should be split to an article, it should be. Right now an article on the group is probably more important then one on each of the subsidiaries and partnerships. Merges can always be done and when reasonable are preferred to nominating an article for deletion. 661:
Not the way it works. If you assert that a notability guideline is met, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate how(otherwise anyone arguing for deletion of anything would have to essentially prove a negative). A google search doesn't show any non-trivial independent reliable sources about the
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I have no industry publications which state that what you are making out that I said. Having said that, I have no industry publications which mention many of these subsidiaries in more than a passing fashion, as it is evident from even SIA publications, that these subsidiaries are first and foremost
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And I have nominated one Northwest category and one Cathay Pacific category, and I am sure there will be many more to come. And the reason I have nominated these SIA articles is because they should not be in wikipedia, as they are not notable entities, are not encyclopaedic, and they have no room to
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To cut the fluff from the above statements, it just boils down inevitably to one thing...that you simply have no other means of claiming non-notability other than google search (and only google news search at that). Kindly quote us which regulation in wikipedia rules that a company which supports
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is ridiculous and unprecedented in wikipedia. Next, Russavia insists on claiming on "non-notability" of all SIA subsidiaries, while having nothing to demonstrate this besides a google search. I am left wondering if his knowledge is determined primarily by Google or by his personal research when
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In what way is an article on a subsidiary a "directory"? If it needs to be repeated once again, these subsidiaries were actually listed in the said article but were moved to secondary pages to trim the overbloated main article. Your suggestion reverses earlier initiatives, and is not exactly a
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grow, hence why they are still stubs after some 2 years. So argue to keep on the merits of whether they do belong on wikipedia or not, not on some Singapore Airlines fetish which you seem to have, in which anything and everything to do with SIA needs its own article. --
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activities, when discussing both the parent and subsidiary companies. As to why each of these subsidiaries should either be deleted, or merged to a single article, they are not notable enough to warrant articles which won't grow past stub stage. Sidenote: Seeing as
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Thank you. If so, please state relevant "well known industry publications" which state that all SIA subsidiaries are non-notable companies. Ultimately, it all still boils down to your personal assumptions. The overhauling of engines may not interest many, but is
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The company is not notable on it's own, and given the nature of the company business it would not generate much notable news upon which the article can be expanded. As it is a subsidiary of SATS, would recommend a merge with
465:"Singapore Airlines Group", as Russavia himself puts it, is a convenient term to refer to the parent company (the airline) and its non-core subsidiaries. This is unlike the setup of other companies such as 581:
I am under no obligation to provide any such credentials, as I am not proclaiming to be an expert on this given area, but am rather giving personal experience as a comment. Stop being so pedantic. --
498:, which has also been nom for deletion, just how notable can a company be when that company does nothing but repairs a few parts from complex machinery such as jet engines. Aside from being owned by 597:. Now of course you arent required to support your credentials. The problem is the exact same essay says attempts by individuals to flaunt their personal credentials are frowned upon as well.-- 273:
article is not suitable, then surely it could be said that a page which will never grow pass stub stage would not be suitable either. Perhaps it would be better to create a new article such as
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I am sure you won't have any objections to my removal of the Singapore Airlines category tags from that article, seeing as there is now no connection between the two entities. --
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My own experience, including employment experience with Singapore Airlines, and via well known industry publications. Take for example,
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Please provide evidence that "Singapore Airlines Group" actually exists as a company. Several companies in this list, in particular
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and present the information in that article, whilst still keeping individual articles on the truly notable subsidiaries such as
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company. If you have such sources please present them. If you think it meets another criterion, please explain how it does so.
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The first page doesn't seem to be and I don't have time to look at all the others. Please go through and find two that meet
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are already notable companies, some of which regionally even, irrespective of whether their articles are developed or not.
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Oh, and the same person claiming others are being "disrespectful" to him feels it within his rights to call others a
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It would clean up the Singapore Airlines category that is for sure, and make such deletion noms less likely. --
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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does not exist as a legal entity, as a group of companies under the Singapore Airlines banner it does exist
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in existence in order to serve the parent company (that being Singapore Airlines), and to a lesser extent,
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article is not an appriopriat avenue to constantly add information which has been stripped from it.--
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Sure. If we may simply refer back to our favourite google search, I sure hope none of the results
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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subsidiaries, and nothing more. At best they can be listed in the the airline's article.
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for them to exist on the same page, other then having a common parent company, which is
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Some kind of merge-ish solution seems to be called for here. Someone, please, just be
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Comment Please state relevant evidence showing that this article does not meet
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are "non-trivial independent reliable sources about the company".--
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Russavia, please provide verification of claimed credential as per
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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these companies just aren't notable for an encyclopaedia. --
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as evidenced by these links on the SIA website detailing
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dealing with aviation-related articles outside Russia.--
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article. This should provide a strong article on the
39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 350:. This information should not be moved into the 52:and follow one of these reasonable suggestions. 728:). No further edits should be made to this page. 408:Singapore Aero Engine Services Private Limited 308:Singapore Aero Engine Services Private Limited 281:. The articles which could be merged into the 189:Russavia, your comment is very distasteful. -- 8: 398:are major companies having listings on the 579:User:Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification 563:User:Jimbo Wales/Credential Verification 496:International Engine Component Overhaul 293:International Engine Component Overhaul 240:These articles compose a directory of 380:Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise 313:Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 207:. notable auxiliary police force. -- 392:Singapore Airport Terminal Services 318:Singapore Airport Terminal Services 402:. Just what are the links between 24: 639:which is the relevant guideline. 696:Sure thanks. Will do so later.-- 275:Singapore Airlines subsidiaries 1: 421:Singapore Airlines Group?-- 404:Tradewinds Tours and Travel 328:Tradewinds Tours and Travel 745: 212:06:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC) 194:06:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC) 185:22:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 168:07:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 141:04:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC) 687:and then get back to us. 374:(one of only three armed 721:Please do not modify it. 635:. Does not seem to meet 515:interest=encyclopedic?-- 442:Singapore Airlines Group 435:Singapore Airlines Group 356:Singapore Airlines Group 348:Singapore Airlines Group 323:Singapore Flying College 220:This AfD nomination was 149:This user has nominated 64:15:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC) 32:Please do not modify it. 701:01:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC) 692:00:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC) 679:23:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 667:17:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 657:16:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 644:16:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 602:23:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 586:17:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 570:17:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 550:22:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 537:17:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 520:16:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 507:16:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 487:16:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 458:16:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 426:15:50, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 396:SIA Engineering Company 388:SIA Engineering Company 363:05:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC) 338:19:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC) 303:SIA Engineering Company 262:23:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC) 249:16:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC) 229:12:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC) 449:is no longer owned by 378:forces in Singapore), 372:SATS Security Services 298:SATS Security Services 78:SATS Security Services 70:SATS Security Services 224:. It is listed now. 412:Singapore Airlines 633:Singapore Airlines 500:Singapore Airlines 479:exact same company 400:Singapore Exchange 352:Singapore Airlines 242:Singapore Airlines 161:Singapore Airlines 154:Singapore Airlines 135:Singapore Airlines 475:American Airlines 285:article would be: 736: 723: 376:auxiliary police 257:feasible idea.-- 119: 101: 61: 34: 744: 743: 739: 738: 737: 735: 734: 733: 732: 726:deletion review 719: 471:holding company 92: 76: 73: 57: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 742: 740: 731: 730: 714: 713: 712: 711: 710: 709: 708: 707: 706: 705: 704: 703: 618: 617: 616: 615: 614: 613: 612: 611: 610: 609: 608: 607: 606: 605: 604: 556: 555: 554: 553: 552: 530:Changi Airport 331: 330: 325: 320: 315: 310: 305: 300: 295: 290: 289: 288: 287: 286: 234: 233: 232: 231: 215: 214: 201: 200: 199: 198: 197: 196: 171: 170: 126: 125: 72: 67: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 741: 729: 727: 722: 716: 715: 702: 699: 695: 694: 693: 690: 686: 682: 681: 680: 677: 673: 670: 669: 668: 665: 660: 659: 658: 655: 651: 647: 646: 645: 642: 638: 634: 630: 626: 622: 619: 603: 600: 596: 592: 589: 588: 587: 584: 580: 576: 573: 572: 571: 568: 564: 560: 557: 551: 548: 543: 540: 539: 538: 535: 531: 526: 523: 522: 521: 518: 513: 510: 509: 508: 505: 501: 497: 493: 490: 489: 488: 485: 480: 476: 472: 468: 464: 461: 460: 459: 456: 452: 448: 443: 439: 436: 432: 429: 428: 427: 424: 420: 416: 415: 409: 405: 401: 397: 393: 389: 385: 384:Bank of China 381: 377: 373: 369: 366: 365: 364: 361: 357: 353: 349: 345: 342: 341: 340: 339: 336: 329: 326: 324: 321: 319: 316: 314: 311: 309: 306: 304: 301: 299: 296: 294: 291: 284: 280: 276: 272: 268: 265: 264: 263: 260: 255: 252: 251: 250: 247: 243: 239: 236: 235: 230: 227: 223: 219: 218: 217: 216: 213: 210: 206: 203: 202: 195: 192: 188: 187: 186: 183: 178: 175: 174: 173: 172: 169: 166: 162: 158: 155: 152: 151:at least five 148: 145: 144: 143: 142: 139: 136: 132: 123: 117: 113: 109: 105: 100: 96: 91: 87: 83: 79: 75: 74: 71: 68: 66: 65: 62: 60: 55: 51: 47: 46:no consensus. 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 720: 717: 624: 620: 594: 590: 574: 558: 541: 524: 511: 491: 478: 462: 441: 434: 430: 418: 413: 411: 367: 343: 332: 282: 270: 266: 253: 237: 204: 176: 146: 127: 58: 45: 43: 31: 28: 469:which is a 360:Vegaswikian 271:overbloated 283:subsidiary 222:incomplete 467:AMR Corp. 625:Redirect 583:Russavia 534:Russavia 504:Russavia 455:Russavia 386:!), and 335:Russavia 254:Comment. 182:Russavia 138:Russavia 122:View log 698:Huaiwei 689:JoshuaZ 676:Huaiwei 664:JoshuaZ 654:Huaiwei 650:WP:CORP 641:JoshuaZ 637:WP:CORP 599:Huaiwei 591:Comment 577:As per 575:Comment 559:Comment 547:Huaiwei 542:Comment 525:Comment 517:Huaiwei 512:Comment 492:Comment 484:Huaiwei 463:Comment 433:Whilst 431:Comment 423:Huaiwei 414:Limited 368:Comment 279:SilkAir 269:If the 267:Comment 259:Huaiwei 226:DumbBOT 177:Comment 165:Huaiwei 95:protect 90:history 595:Pedant 246:Mangoe 238:Delete 99:delete 685:WP:RS 621:Merge 567:Vsion 344:Merge 209:Vsion 191:Vsion 116:views 108:watch 104:links 59:juice 54:Mango 16:< 629:SATS 565:. -- 473:for 447:SALE 406:and 394:and 205:Keep 147:Keep 131:SATS 112:logs 86:talk 82:edit 50:bold 652:.-- 631:or 627:to 623:or 451:SIA 419:not 346:to 120:– ( 417:, 114:| 110:| 106:| 102:| 97:| 93:| 88:| 84:| 124:) 118:) 80:(

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
bold
Mango
juice
15:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
SATS Security Services
SATS Security Services
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
SATS
Singapore Airlines
Russavia
04:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
at least five
Singapore Airlines

Singapore Airlines
Huaiwei
07:26, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Russavia
22:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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