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another company is automatically non-notable. I suppose just about all state companies in the world must be removed overnight for almost singularly supporting theor respective
Government as well? Do you even bother to read up on each article, and find out how much market share or client base they have to stake your claims? Finally, are you using AfD as some kind of an mechanism to push for the expansion of articles?--
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Not the way it works. If you assert that a notability guideline is met, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate how(otherwise anyone arguing for deletion of anything would have to essentially prove a negative). A google search doesn't show any non-trivial independent reliable sources about the
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I have no industry publications which state that what you are making out that I said. Having said that, I have no industry publications which mention many of these subsidiaries in more than a passing fashion, as it is evident from even SIA publications, that these subsidiaries are first and foremost
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Northwest category and one Cathay Pacific category, and I am sure there will be many more to come. And the reason I have nominated these SIA articles is because they should not be in wikipedia, as they are not notable entities, are not encyclopaedic, and they have no room to
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To cut the fluff from the above statements, it just boils down inevitably to one thing...that you simply have no other means of claiming non-notability other than google search (and only google news search at that). Kindly quote us which regulation in wikipedia rules that a company which supports
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In what way is an article on a subsidiary a "directory"? If it needs to be repeated once again, these subsidiaries were actually listed in the said article but were moved to secondary pages to trim the overbloated main article. Your suggestion reverses earlier initiatives, and is not exactly a
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activities, when discussing both the parent and subsidiary companies. As to why each of these subsidiaries should either be deleted, or merged to a single article, they are not notable enough to warrant articles which won't grow past stub stage. Sidenote: Seeing as
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Thank you. If so, please state relevant "well known industry publications" which state that all SIA subsidiaries are non-notable companies. Ultimately, it all still boils down to your personal assumptions. The overhauling of engines may not interest many, but is
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The company is not notable on it's own, and given the nature of the company business it would not generate much notable news upon which the article can be expanded. As it is a subsidiary of SATS, would recommend a merge with
465:"Singapore Airlines Group", as Russavia himself puts it, is a convenient term to refer to the parent company (the airline) and its non-core subsidiaries. This is unlike the setup of other companies such as
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article is not suitable, then surely it could be said that a page which will never grow pass stub stage would not be suitable either. Perhaps it would be better to create a new article such as
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