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and it's a passing mention. If this was a car, we wouldn't use a Hayes manual on how to fix it for a reliable source, we'd need a discussion about the car. Same idea here. I don't see any sources discussing the cheesecake.
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and more investigation is needed. This to me looks like a variation on cheesecake, and there are literally hundreds if not thousands of those. I'm not seeing support for it being a notable variation.
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is not a good comparision here. As was said in the AFD, pineapples are just one of may fruits that can be used in cheesecake. Smoked salmon is something radically different.
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