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include an explanation of barangays. I agree with the comment that the barangay should be considered a political unit, and I think this page has been well-researched for such a small unit. It is also part of the
Tarambay Phillipines project and is sufficiently linked to other relevant pages. I understand the argument that most Barangays aren't notable, but perhaps this can be converted into an article that encompasses the whole of Barangays and uses Salangbato as an example. I definitely agree that there are quite a few uninhabited, insignificant American locations and political units that have their own articles along with very low-level football/rugby players.
432:"Smallest political unit" is still a political unit. The smallest political unit in the US are cities and towns (in some cases counties), and they are no-brainer keeps. The smallest political unit in Norway are municipalities, and they are covered in "real" encyclopedias, even municipalities which are smaller than this political unit. Applying a different notability standard for the geographical units in the Philippines will lead to a clear systematic bias.
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Somehow I get the feeling that your telling me that I haven't seen a paper encyclopedia yet, but I'll let that pass. Wiki isn't paper there's no limitations for us. However, articles are limited by WP:V, WP:RS and WP:N. Almost all baranggays fail these policy and guidelines. It is better to list them
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PS: On concerns about "clear systematic bias", I believe there won't be issues of systematic bias since there's practically nothing to say about barangays, and more importantly, if a barangay is said to be notable, it's notability is passed on to its mother city/municipality; the same way information
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I live within 100 kilometers of this barangay and I can tell you first-hand that 99% of barangays are just generally not notable enough to merit their own articles. I can use your WP:OSE argument against you. There are no articles about the other 19 barangays of Famy, Laguna. Why should there be one
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Using strawman tactics won't win any arguments like ignoring the part where I was "introduced" to the concept of a paper encylcopedia. As for your examples, it doesn't mean that just because those stuff exists then these baranggay articles should exist too. By the way I enjoyed your last argument. I
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Not necessarily. There comes a point when some geographical unit is too small or too trivial that it doesn't deserve its own article and should instead be aggregated elsewhere. A blanket statement like "X's have inherent notability" is not a good argument in itself. You have to back it up with more
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As what was demonstrated earlier, you can't apply
Norwegian standards on Philippine locations. Same here, you can't apply American standards on Philippine locations. Cities and municipalities everywhere are notable. Fourth-level divisions usually aren't. I'd even say the people who'd have sensible
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Filipino users that joined in these discussions all voted delete or merge. Those who voted keep are non-Filipinos. I'm not saying non-Filipino arguments are invalid; I'm saying that the Filipinos know the situation on the ground. I wonder what's next, all elected government
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I am the primary author of this article ( I wrote just about all of it). I have to say that it started as a stub that
Knowledge had requested to expand. It is most likely the only barangay with its own Knowledge page. This being said, it might be more viable to expand this page into a fully
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Especially since the argument to delete is "Knowledge isn't toilet paper". That one has to resort to this sort of patheticness in deletion accusations and rationale is revolting. It's been noted about having 49k stubs that will never be expanded. Don't we already? I mean, really... see
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as per longstanding practice with localities. That it's a governmental unit makes it even more notable. I also agree with
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per nom. Having 41,995 stubs that can't be expanded due to lack of online sources (perhaps even offline sources) is a bad idea. Philippine towns are covered in the Wiki so there's no systemic bias on our country on this
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Upon further consideration, I wonder why this is specifically being targeted for deletion. Not to boast, but it is a relatively thorough article and is further researched than many items of higher significance.
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