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description of the character as "incredible-looking". The Leeper website has no indication of its reliability as a source and again is a single sentence. I checked all six of these sources and dozens more before making the nomination and in the course of working on the article and they are all trivial passing mentions that do not establish the independent notability of the character. And yes, I will stand firmly and unswayingly by the proposition that the mere mention of a fictional character in a book does nothing to establish that the character is notable independent of the film from which the character is drawn. I can find you dozens if not hundreds of sources that confirm the existence of this character. You know as well as I do that mere existence does not equal notability and you ought to know as well as I that
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would permit" or that permits such speculative comments as "We are left to ponder why he allowed himself to be strung along by the countess, the ultimate circumstances that would have resulted in her granting him his wish for immortality, and why she felt she could tell him of her desire to be free of vampirism without arousing his anger at feeling betrayed"? I know you're an extreme inclusionist, but honestly, aren't you a little embarrassed to be arguing in favor of this article?
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saying, a/ challenged as unsourced. b/sources found by two editors c/ delete anyway, regardless of the amount of sourcing. I don;'t think you mean to make a general statement that characters in fiction never get articles, regardless of the sources and what they say, because I think you know there would be very strong consensus against that. And I note your own sources would seem to contradict your own assertion that the discussion of the relationship is just OR.
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Oh come now. Two of the sources, Kane and Clute, merely confirm the existence of the character. The Benshoff reference is about two sentences out of a 328 page book and is used to identify the actor who played the character. The Humphries is also two sentences, out of a 224 page book. The Willis is a
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which requires "significant" (meaning "more than trivial") coverage in reliable sources. What sources, either that I found or that this other editor has found, reliably source the assertion that the way Sandor interacts verbally with the Countess is "more complex than a master-servant relationship
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specifically states that mentions such as these are trivial. I never said that fictional characters never get separate articles so I have to wonder why you would even try to suggest that I ever said such a thing or anything like it. Our standard criteria for an article on a fictional character are
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Changed to keep; it seems someone very quickly found 6 sources, some of which seem pertinent. Furthermore, if the sources you found discuss this particular character, and they seem to, then there would be firm reason by our standard criteria to have an article. Otherwise you'd have to be
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and explain how these passing mentions of the character's name satisfy that criterion. Please explain how the proffered sources or any source establishes that the relationship between Zaleska and Sandor is "more complex than a master-servant relationship would permit" or the speculation about
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as notable due to large number of sources, which also means it is not original research and as the article contains multiple sections rather than just covering plot it satisfactorily meets our inclusion criteria. Anyone who argues in favor of keeping this article should feel proud!  :)
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as there isn't enough for a separate article. (there may be already enough in the main article though). However, I wouldn't assume the speculation cant be sourced, until I checked all the reviews. (but unless there's a major discussion, it still isn't apropriate for a separate article).
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which states clearly and explicitly that coverage must be more than trivial and challenge those in favor of keeping this article to address my points above regarding the triviality of the proffered sources. Note the examples given of significant and trivial sources:
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Zaleska's motives. And, someone's slapping three single-sentence "sections" on the end of the article is meaningful in establishing notability? Really? Can you point me toward the section of
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What specifically of the unsourced material are you suggesting be merged that would not throw the article out of balance in favor of this character? If you take a look at
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per the nominator's argument; the fictional character's notability does not extend beyond his one appearance in
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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speculation about where his relationship to his mistress falls in the scope of master-servant relationships.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
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are plainly non-trivial. The one sentence mention by Walker of the band
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Examples: The 360-page book by Sobel and the 528-page book by Black on
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Sandor (fictional character)
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