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728:"I find it generally unfathomable that this topic would not deserve its own article. Just becase a topic can be thought of as a part of another topic doesn't mean it can't have its own article. There is plenty of overlap of this kind on wikipedia and it is a very good thing. There's plenty of bad content on wikipedia's china related articles, be bold by deleting clearly bogus content, not the articles. (not to suggest there aren't also plenty of bogus articles). WP:AQU, I've made this kind of mistake myself." ---- Metal lunchbox 725:"The article is linked to from Chinese Civil War and the former is supposed to be a sub-article of the latter covering the second part of the civil war. The article Chinese Civil War contains only summary information of this subject which should be expanded upon. Poor quality content is not a reason for deletion of an article. Rather the article should be improved to meat the required standards." ---- Rincewind42 31: 355:
social developments, and the origin and aftermath of the war" while the Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War is the second stage of the Chinese Civil War. In other words, one is about political and social development, and the other is about the second stage of military conflict. They are not lining up slightly differently. Instead, they are two almost completely different subjects.
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First, thank you for letting me know the instructions on splitting an article! In my mind, the Chinese Communist Revolution differs so greatly from the Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War that a spinoff is necessary. As the article describes, the Chinese Communist Revolution "is about political and
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Do you think it is a better choice to give editors some time to edit this article? If, after some time, this article still has a huge deficit in content, we can post another AfD at that time. The fact that this AfD was launched fewer than 2 hours before the article was created gives no chance to add
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Regarding rushing to create a new article, I saw some editors suggest that this article's content and sources were not enough for a spinoff. So, I wanted to show that this article has substantial content and sources by expanding it rather than spending time thinking about and writing an opposing
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about those languages, which are titled "Chinese Communist Revolution" while actually referring to the Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War in Wikidata. I think this may be controversial, and thus, a consensus is probably needed to change the links further. I hope you can participate in this
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took place in that year. I think the consensus reached in 2013 was that the Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War was a part of the Chinese Civil War, and it deserved its own article, and I reused it in this deletion discussion. This article and the current version of
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Yes, we all agree that this is a part of the Chinese Civil War. What we are discussing in this AfD is whether this topic deserves an article. I think being a part of the Chinese Civil War is not enough to prove that a split is not necessary.
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opinion. Once this article is developed, I think the arguments supporting those comments suggesting a merge or deletion in this AfD debate will no longer be valid. Anyway, thank you very much for sharing your opinion!
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You're absolutely right that "Chinese Communist Revolution" and "Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War" are not the same things. That's why I'm suggesting that this page become a redirect to
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article, consensus seems to lean towards a merge or redirect. The choice between Merge and Redirect can be made editorially on the Talk page, and doesn't justify another relisting here.
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was 5000 words longer, I would support this being a separate article, but as mentioned above, it seems presently best to have one article with the adequate level of detail.
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are substantially the same subject, wouldn't you want to merge this article with that one? Why would you support keeping this article?
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I have created a new article in Wikidata called "Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War" and linked several languages to it. Thanks!
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Related to sources, I have added some books in the "Further reading" section of this article. These may be useful for citation.
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Thank you for showing me the guide on Wikidata. I've never heard of Wikidata before! I will look at it some time.
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Basically, I think you're rushing to create a new article when this problem could be better solved in other ways.
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there. My concerns were merely that splitting the article was not the correct balance at this particular moment.
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I also agree with you that the Chinese article on the "Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War" probably should
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doesn't have the same name as the English translation of the Chinese Knowledge's article's title.
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They do not. Wars and revolutions are different historical events, even if they blur together. The
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used to wrongfully refer to the Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War, but it is corrected now.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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article is necessary at all. It was started because there was some confusion over why
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If you think they are different, I will reuse the opinions in this discussion.
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I do think it's reasonable for this to be its own article as a sub-period of
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and this article refer to the same event. So, they are actually the same.
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isn't long enough to require a split, but I understand your position.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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are substantially the same, and the deletion discussion of
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please see these instructions on how to do it properly:
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