728:"I find it generally unfathomable that this topic would not deserve its own article. Just becase a topic can be thought of as a part of another topic doesn't mean it can't have its own article. There is plenty of overlap of this kind on wikipedia and it is a very good thing. There's plenty of bad content on wikipedia's china related articles, be bold by deleting clearly bogus content, not the articles. (not to suggest there aren't also plenty of bogus articles). WP:AQU, I've made this kind of mistake myself." ---- Metal lunchbox
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social developments, and the origin and aftermath of the war" while the Second
Kuomintang-Communist Civil War is the second stage of the Chinese Civil War. In other words, one is about political and social development, and the other is about the second stage of military conflict. They are not lining up slightly differently. Instead, they are two almost completely different subjects.
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First, thank you for letting me know the instructions on splitting an article! In my mind, the
Chinese Communist Revolution differs so greatly from the Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War that a spinoff is necessary. As the article describes, the Chinese Communist Revolution "is about political and
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Do you think it is a better choice to give editors some time to edit this article? If, after some time, this article still has a huge deficit in content, we can post another AfD at that time. The fact that this AfD was launched fewer than 2 hours before the article was created gives no chance to add
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about those languages, which are titled "Chinese
Communist Revolution" while actually referring to the Second Kuomintang-Communist Civil War in Wikidata. I think this may be controversial, and thus, a consensus is probably needed to change the links further. I hope you can participate in this
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took place in that year. I think the consensus reached in 2013 was that the Second
Kuomintang-Communist Civil War was a part of the Chinese Civil War, and it deserved its own article, and I reused it in this deletion discussion. This article and the current version of
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Chinese Civil War. What we are discussing in this AfD is whether this topic deserves an article. I think being a part of the Chinese Civil War is not enough to prove that a split is not necessary.
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