634:'s idea to create this system, then Wikinger should publish it in a reputable scientific journal, and come back after the article has been published. I happen to think there is no chance whatsoever that any scientific journal would ever publish such an article, but I'm no expert on geometrized units. If it was someone else's idea to create this system, Wikinger should provide the bibliograpic citation to the article in a reputable scientific journal where the system was proposed. --
860:. A very small part of the content (the historical part) is probably encyclopedic (and is reflected in the few seemingly reliable sources on the source list), but there doesn't seem to anything to actually justify the process of septimalisation, as defined in the first sentence, as an encyclopedic topic. In particular, I haven't found the term "septimalisation" in the sources (or anywhere but Knowledge on Google, for that matter).--
885:(which means Viking in Polish) and the three others are IP-users (in the 83 A-class used by Poland). Of the three IP-users one writes only a very short comment, while the two others write enough to make the same grammatical errors as does Wikinger (and this kind of error is common among native speakers of Polish). With this linguistic fingerprint I believe it is justified to point out that
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point or that, lets not be give these guys any more attension than they desive, which is NONE. This is a made up subject. This is post-modern liturature meets the decimal system. The people that created it are worse than vandals. Notice, not one peer reviewed ref. Not one credible source. I know, everyone whats to be reasonable and open minded, but lets not be suckers.
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Folks, I've studied general relativity, I've made my living as an engineer, I know my math, I know my units of measure, I know about dimensionless units, converting between units, you name it. This "subject" is all just a load of crap. Lets not give the impression of respectability by argueing this
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Idea of this septenary system came to me as inspiration from both Bible and geometrized unit system, and due to this original compilation I see that my article will be rather deleted. Thus do you accept at least reusing table of multiples and description of algoritm of derivation of septenary units
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Please rather consider improving this article than deleting, because septimalization is a very interesting approach to units from religious point of view, and should be provided for reading by
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If the idea is to propose a new measurement system based on the number 7, a reliable source should be provided that proves that such a proposal exists and is notable enough to include in
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A mess of POV OR. The
Angelfire link posted above goes to a series of Apocalyptic essays. None of the links above actually directly refer to the septimal system. Add to this the bizarro conversions of unit of time to length, mass and heat, and there isn't much to save here. Show me a source (aside
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confirms dimension of distance for meter, grave (kilogram), second, kelvin, while defining dimension of ampere, mole and candela as dimension of zero, or no dimension, because they are dimensionless ratios. If you don't believe, try calculate dimensions of these relativistic conversion factors in
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Energy and momentum are interpreted as components of the four-momentum vector, and mass is the magnitude of this vector, so in geometric units these must all have the dimension of length. We can convert a mass expressed in kilograms to the equivalent mass expressed in meters by multiplying by the
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in a show of support is forbidden, and can ultimately lead to suspension of all involved accounts. If
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In geometric units, every time interval is interpreted as the distance travelled by light during that given time interval. That is, one second is interpreted as one light-second, so time has the geometric units of length. This is dimensionally consistent with the notion that, according to the
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Knowledge only describes fiction that has been published by other publishers, and reports reviews of fiction that have been published by other publishers. Knowledge does not create new fiction, nor does it embelish existing fiction (this process is often called
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conversion factor G/c^2. For example, the Sun's mass of 2.0×10^30 kg in SI units is equivalent to 1.5 km. This is half the
Schwarzschild radius of a one solar mass black hole. All other conversion factors can be worked out by combining these two.
907:-like behavior ceased now already on demand. Thus suspending account is not needed. In the 83 A-class are at least some hundred thousands of users with dynamic IP. Not only I make such grammatical errors as you see. This is very common in Poland.
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313:. Many of the POV issues remain in the article, and at this point, with the length of time the AfD has run thus far, there has been plenty of time to sit down and rework it. Noting, too, that this is
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Currently, the only apparent source we have is the Judeo-Christian Bible. I get the feeling, though, that we're grasping at straws here. You also have the keep argument below, pointing at
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This proves that
Biblical units are remnants of God's consistent septenary system reconstructed in article. Please rather recategorize this article to religious ones, than delete it.
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This is no longer true. I posted this
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I think the first issue is, who's idea was it to create a measurement system based on geometrized units and the number 7, which seems to be what the article is about. If it was
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Please give me some tips how to cleanup article? I need some advises before I begin. Which parts are in contradiction to NPOV and how to change them to be in accord with NPOV?
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The bulk of this is obviously trivial, and much of the rest is POV nonsense, but the basic idea of such a system is there.Those who know about number systems should see it.
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and let him do the cleanup. Hopefully, the anon user at 83.5.48.151 can work with him and this will go well. Review in a few months, and see what happens. --
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This is a bunch on nonsence. Shouldn't be presented as a real subject at face value unless it has some creds with respected people. Just madness, really.
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The tables and unit "derivations" in the article to be deleted have never been published in a reliable source. They do not belong anywhere in Knowledge. --
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I now added to article some Biblical archeology related sources, and even more secular ones that are thought by you as more reliable than Biblical ones:
385:- unsourced non-sense. Unless some real sources can be produced showing this actually exists, and providing a cogent defense of it, it's gibberish. --
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