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634:'s idea to create this system, then Wikinger should publish it in a reputable scientific journal, and come back after the article has been published. I happen to think there is no chance whatsoever that any scientific journal would ever publish such an article, but I'm no expert on geometrized units. If it was someone else's idea to create this system, Wikinger should provide the bibliograpic citation to the article in a reputable scientific journal where the system was proposed. -- 860:. A very small part of the content (the historical part) is probably encyclopedic (and is reflected in the few seemingly reliable sources on the source list), but there doesn't seem to anything to actually justify the process of septimalisation, as defined in the first sentence, as an encyclopedic topic. In particular, I haven't found the term "septimalisation" in the sources (or anywhere but Knowledge on Google, for that matter).-- 885:(which means Viking in Polish) and the three others are IP-users (in the 83 A-class used by Poland). Of the three IP-users one writes only a very short comment, while the two others write enough to make the same grammatical errors as does Wikinger (and this kind of error is common among native speakers of Polish). With this linguistic fingerprint I believe it is justified to point out that 805:
point or that, lets not be give these guys any more attension than they desive, which is NONE. This is a made up subject. This is post-modern liturature meets the decimal system. The people that created it are worse than vandals. Notice, not one peer reviewed ref. Not one credible source. I know, everyone whats to be reasonable and open minded, but lets not be suckers.
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Folks, I've studied general relativity, I've made my living as an engineer, I know my math, I know my units of measure, I know about dimensionless units, converting between units, you name it. This "subject" is all just a load of crap. Lets not give the impression of respectability by argueing this
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Idea of this septenary system came to me as inspiration from both Bible and geometrized unit system, and due to this original compilation I see that my article will be rather deleted. Thus do you accept at least reusing table of multiples and description of algoritm of derivation of septenary units
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Please rather consider improving this article than deleting, because septimalization is a very interesting approach to units from religious point of view, and should be provided for reading by Knowledge readers. I regularly add new references for proving my article. This is not speculation, because
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If the idea is to propose a new measurement system based on the number 7, a reliable source should be provided that proves that such a proposal exists and is notable enough to include in Knowledge. If the idea is to describe some measurement system based on the number 7 that existed in the past, a
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A mess of POV OR. The Angelfire link posted above goes to a series of Apocalyptic essays. None of the links above actually directly refer to the septimal system. Add to this the bizarro conversions of unit of time to length, mass and heat, and there isn't much to save here. Show me a source (aside
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confirms dimension of distance for meter, grave (kilogram), second, kelvin, while defining dimension of ampere, mole and candela as dimension of zero, or no dimension, because they are dimensionless ratios. If you don't believe, try calculate dimensions of these relativistic conversion factors in
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Energy and momentum are interpreted as components of the four-momentum vector, and mass is the magnitude of this vector, so in geometric units these must all have the dimension of length. We can convert a mass expressed in kilograms to the equivalent mass expressed in meters by multiplying by the
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in a show of support is forbidden, and can ultimately lead to suspension of all involved accounts. If Wikinger has indeed engaged in sock puppetry (possibly due to ignorance rather than malice), I think his/her best option is to come clear and state exactly which of the IP-users are indeed sock
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In geometric units, every time interval is interpreted as the distance travelled by light during that given time interval. That is, one second is interpreted as one light-second, so time has the geometric units of length. This is dimensionally consistent with the notion that, according to the
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one SI second is multipled by 86400, then 86400 SI seconds that has dimension of distance are converted to SI meter, SI grave (kilogram), and SI kelvin, which have dimension of distance, while ampere, mole and candela are omitted due to their lack of dimension in geometrized
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Knowledge only describes fiction that has been published by other publishers, and reports reviews of fiction that have been published by other publishers. Knowledge does not create new fiction, nor does it embelish existing fiction (this process is often called
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conversion factor G/c^2. For example, the Sun's mass of 2.0×10^30 kg in SI units is equivalent to 1.5 km. This is half the Schwarzschild radius of a one solar mass black hole. All other conversion factors can be worked out by combining these two.
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As justification for septimalisation serves obtaining full consistency without breaking Ten Commandments and without making week and Sunday obsolete, as is in case of the SI. Septimalisation is the same for base seven as decimalisation for base
963:) in favour of keeping this article. Would you care to elaborate on your opinion taking into account that the author freely admits (above) that the article is OR (and thus can cite no reliable source)? Thank you. 313:. Many of the POV issues remain in the article, and at this point, with the length of time the AfD has run thus far, there has been plenty of time to sit down and rework it. Noting, too, that this is 1012:. Much to my amazement, on digging around I've managed to find hard sources showing a septenary calendar was in partial use in Jacobean England & the 19th century US (including a mention in 441:
Currently, the only apparent source we have is the Judeo-Christian Bible. I get the feeling, though, that we're grasping at straws here. You also have the keep argument below, pointing at
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No, my allegation concerns Wikinger and the three anonymous IP-users posting on this page. (I erroneously counted Dennisthe2 as pro-deletion, due to the changing opinions of that user).
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This proves that Biblical units are remnants of God's consistent septenary system reconstructed in article. Please rather recategorize this article to religious ones, than delete it.
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This is no longer true. I posted this Wikinger's article to Wikinfo and Anarchopedia to save it from destruction, where it was accepted. Do you treat Wikinfo as reliable source?
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I think the first issue is, who's idea was it to create a measurement system based on geometrized units and the number 7, which seems to be what the article is about. If it was
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Please give me some tips how to cleanup article? I need some advises before I begin. Which parts are in contradiction to NPOV and how to change them to be in accord with NPOV?
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The bulk of this is obviously trivial, and much of the rest is POV nonsense, but the basic idea of such a system is there.Those who know about number systems should see it.
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from the Ten Commandments... where'd that come from?) that indicates the Israelites used a septimal system, and I'll re-examine it. Until then, this mess needs to go.
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and let him do the cleanup. Hopefully, the anon user at 83.5.48.151 can work with him and this will go well. Review in a few months, and see what happens. --
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I don't know if you're counting me in the list of four that oppose deletion, but you might note that I am in Seattle - which is quite far from Poland. =^_^= --
317:- something I didn't pick up on before casting my first !vote. Wikinger, might I suggest putting this somewhere in your user space and working on it there? -- 449:
derivation, but beyond that...well, I'm sticking with my keep above and recommendation for a review after a period, but I should emphasize my conditions. --
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This is a bunch on nonsence. Shouldn't be presented as a real subject at face value unless it has some creds with respected people. Just madness, really.
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The tables and unit "derivations" in the article to be deleted have never been published in a reliable source. They do not belong anywhere in Knowledge. --
478:- septenary system is based on geometrized unit system, where all quantities are expressed in distance units - even in Knowledge exists relevant article: 518:
I now added to article some Biblical archeology related sources, and even more secular ones that are thought by you as more reliable than Biblical ones:
385:- unsourced non-sense. Unless some real sources can be produced showing this actually exists, and providing a cogent defense of it, it's gibberish. -- 776:
A posting of this article at the unreliable sources Wikinfo and Anarchopedia changes nothing regarding the articles deletion from wikipedia.
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At this point about 10 users are in favour of deletion while 4 oppose deletion. Of those four users one is the article's author,
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reliable source should be provided to prove that the system existed and was notable enough to be included in Knowledge. --
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antique units roughly matches with table of conversion of geometrized septenary unit to SI base units. Proof here:
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Dennisthe2, apart from the author, you are the only user with an established edit history (see 100-edit rule at
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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badly-sourced OR crankery. And that huge conversion table for powers of 7 between -100 and +100? Please, no. —
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article states this: 'The Tau of Sci-fi Table-top battle game Warhammer 40,000 use a base-7 counting system'.
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but (and yes I know this isn't a reason for deletion) is probably the worst Knowledge article I've ever seen.
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Google. Grave is historic prefixless name of kilogram as base unit, - even there is relevant article:
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for example in new section about Tau septenary units that could be placed for example in article
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Septenary system really existed and was used not only for weeks. This is not a hoax. Proof here:
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and doesn't seem to be laid out well. What is this for, anyway? Are we doing something with
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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that seeks to combine those two would likely be regarded with a great deal of scepticism. --
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Do you accept placing table of septenary multiples and unit derivation algorithm in this
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Converting between various quantities is not a nonsense, because tables placed there:
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kinematical laws of special relativity, time and distance are on an equal footing.
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In review, I can only say "at the time, it seemed like a good idea". =) --
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scientific journal to drop the above used combination of references to
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exact from geometrization constants and multiples/submultiples of day
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The First English Dictionary for Ladies and other Unskilled Persons
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Steve, with all due respect, perhaps we can be just a wee bit more
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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http://www.physics.fsu.edu/users/Dobrosavljevic/Egyptian.htm
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Talk:Geometrized unit system#LUFE Matrix and unit conversion
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http://www.seasite.niu.edu/thai/QuickThai/calendartime.htm
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http://www.pps.k12.or.us/depts-c/mc-me/be-af-sc.pdf
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Caknuck is right, it's a mess of OR. -- 163:furlong 2.0117E+2m ~ 2,67337526334448E+02m 174:talent 3.42E+1kg ~ 4,65652124087887E+01kg 171:shekel 1.14E-2kg ~ 1,93940909657596E-02kg 117:Article is either a hoax or speculation. 552:http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/big7.htm 160:long reed 3.11E0m ~ 5,4558678843765E+00m 168:gerah 5.7E-4kg ~ 3,9579777481142E-04kg 128:http://www.angelfire.com/nm/YAHUAHSHUA 7: 1016:, a very lengthy discussion in the 141:http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/w/7 24: 688:http://en.wikipedia.org/Septenary 309:Waffle vote. 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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Nabla
00:51, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Septimalisation
Septimalisation
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Gerry Ashton
19:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
http://www.angelfire.com/nm/YAHUAHSHUA
http://cccolo.com/BibleWeightsAndMeasures.htm
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/w/7
83.5.48.151
19:42, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
reliable sources
original research
Lklundin
20:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
POV
eschatology
Dennis The Tiger

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