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Swedish standard hundred contains 121 pieces, 14 feet long, 3 inches thick, and 9 inches broad. The Norwegian standard hundred contains 120 pieces 12 feet long, 3 inches thick, and 9 inches broad. The standard hundred by which battens are commonly sold, contains 120 pieces, 12 feet long, 2½ inches thick, and 7 inches broad. Dantzic and Memel deck deals are sold by a standard of 40 feet long, 3 inches thick, and 12 inches wide. The standard of red deals would weigh about 2¾ tons, and that of white wood 2½ tons. The term
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802:- the attempted rewrite simply perpetuates the misuse of the adjective "Standard" as a proper name. Adding some pictures of ships doesn't change that, nor obsolete anyone's vote. As pointed out by Johnuniq, nobody is going to call a timber yard or write to St Petersburg and say "I'd like a standard please" and claiming otherwise is faintly misleading.
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Standard, an upright of iron, for fencing; a flag; a test or rule of measure; a solid measure by which hewn timber is estimated, varying in different timber countries. The St. Petersburg standard hundred of deals, and deal ends, contains 120 pieces, 12 feet long, 1½ inch thick, and 11 inches broad, =
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I have expanded the article using a variety of sources which seem to have eluded all the nay-sayers above. Their !votes are all now obsolete and the validity of the topic is adequately verified. I have browsed numerous other sources in the course of this and there seems to be more to be said about
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Cardarelli incompetence: the ridiculous excessive decimal digits, the misreading of simple words (Petrograd v Pittsburgh), the confusion about what's actually being measured (firewood or construction timber?), and the misreading of an adjectival qualifier as a proper name.
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Petrograd standard was one of many such standards, any merger should be into this page, as it is more general. I find that the Pittsburgh reference is in multiple sources and so we
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Well. Much as I dislike Andrew's rote recitation of policy buzzwords and the inevitable flagging-over of that little canvassing club - but the quoted text actually makes a rather good case for "standard" constituting a measurement unit (or term for such) on its own.
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Britain. Petrograd is another name for St. Petersburg. It's not clear how Pittsburg comes into this and it's probably just a misprint or misreading of Petersburg.
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Presumably someone somewhere said "standard" instead of "standard cord" but that is very dubious. As explained many times before, the
Cardarelli ref is an indiscriminate grab of all possible words and is not reliable. The other two refs fail verification.
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This unit of measurement probably doesn't exist. Of the three sources currently in the article, the third doesn't mention the subject, the second uses the word "standard" as an adjective while talking about something else, and the first is a book
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