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718:. There is a disconnect between the title, which is neutral, and current content, which is negative. Other stereotypes off the top of my head are: one of the world's top cuisines, high fashion, luxury branding, classic cinema and New Wave, film stars, world standard for wines, fashionably-dressed women, a vibrant night life, famous artists and museums, the standard for flirtation and seduction, public veneration and interest in intellectual currents, the birth of second-wave feminism and a vibrant feminist scene, a welcoming environment for American blacks discriminated against at home, the French Riviera, world-level engineering in high speed trains, fighter jets, jumbo aircraft, and aerospace; and so on. If the article is kept, either the title or the content has to change, because per 624:
look like after it's fixed. What presents the topic in a valuable way that isn't the current "list of stuff that just kind of exists"? It'd be a lot more interesting if this had history and cultural context, and I can see the value in a "Stereotypes of..." article in that context. But I don't see any reason to believe that this will ever
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it should be redirected to, but I'm not persuaded this article is valuable. I could easily just not be imaginative enough to see what it could be if it was written well, though; I'd like to hear what folks who think "needs fixing, but keep" is the correct strategy think, vaguely, the article should
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The article is very poorly written as others have pointed out, but it's definitely fixable. As for notability, the topic is definitely notable, a google search brings up tons of results. I don't think it should be merged to the Anti-French sentiment article as it has received plenty of coverage on
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reach into actual discussions of stereotypes themselves and focus more on whether this purported stereotype is valid. I am unconvinced that this is notable, valuable, or encyclopedic. "Stereotypes of..." pages are something of a "bad edit magnet" in general, and I don't think this page has enough
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has significant coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources, as cited in the article and therefore should not be deleted. Since you have raised your point with me, it should not be re-directed or merged for two reasons 1) the topic is independently notable (see
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enough content to justify the existence of this page. It's had a "please improve" tag since last November, with no substantial improvements, and the content (and content quality) of the article appear similar throughout the article's life.
768:, sentiment and stereotypes are two different things (eg: there are "positive" sterotypes such as in the High Fashion and romance sections, but anti-sentiment would obviously always be negative). The article defintely needs to be expanded 201: 482:
I was addressing the nomination, specifically the statement "I am unconvinced that this is notable, valuable, or encyclopaedic", not your comment. I was making the point (albeit briefly) that the subject,
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by gar. It is not the same as anti-French sentiment. Zut alors! Some stereotypes are quite flattering, e.g. great lovers, connoisseurs, suave, etc., n'est pas? Afd is not for cleanup.
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that article. I feel bad discussing the article I'd like to see and then not volunteering to write it, but I don't think of myself as good at, well, writing articles.
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I think my argument was more along the lines of the two articles being duplicative and not seeing any reason not to merge. Your argument seems to be
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This is a low-quality article that is, presently, a brief list of vaguely-cited unencyclopedic views about French people with citations that
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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its own, and many stereotypes are of a comedic tone and not actually anti-French in nature.
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The title indicates what the article is about and distinguishes it from other articles,
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If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page.
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whole books and libraries of articles have been written about it
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
670:" There are numerous more sources available for this such as 469:. GNG is really not a relevant rebuttal to this nomination. 552:
to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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