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378:- thank you for each piece of constructive criticism, thank you in the highest order to WebHamster for an incredible clean up job (I have no idea how you did that) and thank you to Aqthoclea for suggesting Wiki styles and methods not yet known to me. I appreciate the POV perspective and humbly suggest that the Power and Control Over Women IS POV as is the Power and Control over Men, it seems to me however that with each on opposite sides of a scale the equal NPOV. OR the male perspective was peer reviewed without adverse comment through private letters, hence it is published and peer reviewed.That perspective has existed for over twenty years. The female perspective was simply inserted into the Public Domain purposefully with out claim to author or copyright. This persepctive has existed for more than thirty years.Both absolutely began as novel narratives of proposed conditions: they now have existed for so long as to be accepted concepts. The original Power and Control Wheel is now found in USA Government manuals and I have made request of friends on the cite, permission to cite and license to include. I am following a similar approach on the Power and Control over Males Wheel. The Power and Control concept as a political tool, and both wheels, are rambling, incoherent and probably less than precise and yet find their way into serious public policy discussions. There has been an assertion that the article is diatribe, I personally see no bitterness, abusive speech or satire: I do find it ironic to need to defend an effort at definition and illustration of political tools and concepts that have existed for decades. I apologise for my tardiness, cut and paste just is not working for me: I loose text, cites, hyperlinks et al, I do not know why. I apologise for this lengthy debate entry, if knowledge is power, than I seek only to impart some small part of power to each Wiki reader from some small understanding of a concept that has been used in the western world for a considerable period of time. 472:
global patriarchy and oppose gender neutral lanquage, on the other side is the other half of the world who assert their own instances of injustice and rights. A consistent problem has been weak empirical evidence, propaganda and POV discussions rather than NPOV. I really hope a Wiki editor complains about "so you got references, why are they not cited above" as in getting the little numbers next to the points in the body that the references substantiate. Other than caffiene, I am undrugged despite assertions to the contrary, and yet for them and my resultant smile - thank you: I have tried the style guide and help, and have to date, gotten no where.
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poorly formatted refs and foot notes, I cede without hesitation that the footnotes need reconcilliation, I intend to do that. Some may disagree, but I am not trying to advance a position, I hope the perception of synth comes from the footnote situation. Coments regarding POV are also welcome, I have attempted to correct that situation but remain unsure of my success.Thank you to everyone who has offered critiques
314:- Personally, I don't believe an article should be created until the author has the article mostly or completely finished. I've seen in the Newpages have a dozen times, an article that reads nothing but "Don't delete this, I'll work on it later". If an article does not yet meet stub requirements, it shouldn't be added to Knowledge (XXG). 495:
not say "Most notably obnoxious in the first Power and Control Wheel is the Economic Portion..." but rather something like "The Economic portion has been criticised by John Doe for 'denying budgets as a relevant family finance tool' (reference), but was defended by Joe Bloggs as '...' (another reference)". Also read
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Comment - You have done an admirable job of tidying up the article, and making it more coherent and readable, so many thanks. However, the article does still fall short, in that it's still littered with POV and unreferenced claims, and I'm not sure whether directly repeating the content of the wheel
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This is an original research diatribe. There is nothing that can be salvaged here. The sources cited are not actually being used in an encyclopedic manner. Just because it "looks" like an article with good formatting does not mean that there is any encyclopedic content. Someone with some writing
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Got a few more references in, and will substantiate "unreferenced claims", again sorry I am so slow. POV is a problem: there are essentailly two opposing POVs; again I assert that- two opposing POVS presented together net a NPOV, and yet I acknowledge the concern. On one side is a group who assert a
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could be talking about until I clicked first note that I got to, generally in the ball park, it probably is not my intended Footnote, Please be aware that others have been kind enough to help with formatting, and that there have been a few Foot Note and Reference additions: More importantly I added
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throughly before you make any more edits. Too much of it still reads like a partisan essay rather than an encyclopaedia article. In particular, note that statements which are obviously matters of opinion need to be removed or else clearly ascribed to someone, not presented as fact. For example, do
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skills appropriate to Knowledge (XXG)'s encyclopedic style could start from scratch writing an article about the "Power and Control Wheel" graphic, but nothing from this article (other than the graphic itself) would be useful for the new article.
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An AfD discussion lasts for five days, so no need to drug yourself up with caffeine to get it finished :-) - there's plenty of time to improve the article. However, I suggest that you you read
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In addition to the footnote reconcilliation, there are Wiki links to articles not yet written: Interpersonal relationships, misandry caucus to name but two, yes I have work to do.
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I have added a few references and links, I have a whole body of empirical studies to reference yet, I truly need to get a few other things done first though.
366:- in an effort to at least make it readable I've re-formatted the article and done a basic wikification. You never know it may sway someone's vote :) -- 298:- it's an amazing article, the author is clearly working on it to provide references, detail and cleanliness. I cannot stress enough it must be kept. 625:. Even uses wikipedia as a "source". I don't think it's possible to clean this up. Even if it is notable, it would be best just to start over. 100: 95: 104: 419: 87: 17: 543:, if you have more salient information, go ahead and post it, but don't give the impression you're trying to "stack" the debate. 415: 539:
Just in case it wasn't clear, this is really pointless, and you're making your own side look dumb. Make your opinion known
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I have added but a few references but I must sleep, friends are arriving to add links, references et al please hold on
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is some sort of copyvio or not. I will try to address these concerns myself when I have more time later today.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Knowledge (XXG) must begin to look at these articles, and not destroy them, but allow people to improve them.
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due to original research essay and lack of references. No prejudice against a sourced re-creation titled
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and in particular the section on synthesis, as I think there's a bit of this in the article. Best,
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Needs cleanup and a great deal of format and NPOV work. Deletion of some OR wouldn't hurt either.(
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I have labeled BobV01's three independent votes as "first, second, and third". Early and often...
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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pending cleanup and sourcing. It looks as though there is the makings of an article here. --
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I have, today, requested some reviews of the article, to date. I wondered what on Earth
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as OR or at least SYNTH. The only cited reference is another Knowledge (XXG) article.
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Many of the sources don't even mention the text their supporting. Contains a lot of
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Wow! what an article. It could be rewritten to be more clear etc--
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per Oli. It still sounds like a diatribe. Not to mention failing
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which has numerous Ghits in domestic violence programs like this
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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and created due to a possibility of a meds imbalance. --
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I doubt it's original research but it could be clearer--
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
original research
POV
Krakatoa
Katie
18:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Power and Control
Power and Control
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
Alksub
20:21, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Oli Filth
20:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Pheonix15
20:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Eleland
20:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Pheonix15
20:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Power and control wheel

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