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respect to how a nation-state viewed itself, the different titulature can likewise represent nothing but the whim of the monarch or scribe. Grouping an early-medieval tribal leader with a modern monarch trying to make some political statement, just becasue the two appear with the same syntactic titular style, is apples and oranges.
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Hellenes. In France, the traditional title was King of France, but when Louis XVIII lost his throne to Louis Phillipe, the title became King of the French. This is a real distinction, but I do not think
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Upchick, Clissold and White? Unverifiable cruft is what we have here and it needs to go. Best
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Peterkingiron. The fact that the article's cited using a weird old format is, well, annoying, but it seems quite trivial to fix. There are a few sources cited, and not just the one guy.
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