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influences the functioning of a larger social system. This porch sitting forms a "porch society'." There are also a few Scholar results discussing the "culture" of porch sitting as it relates to elderly care and well being. Google Books search also shows some hits, which at a minimum show that the term is not a neologism and that there is recognition of it as culturally significant, and it gives me hope that there is more out there. See also
469:. This is a real thing. The article just needs some work. Since its only a day old, why not give it some time? Don't want to scare off a new contributor by nominating their first contribution for deletion, without even trying to speak to them on their talk page, or the article's talk page first to discuss problems. 613:. Not much porch sitting in the UK, what with it peeing down most of the time. But when I'm on hols its great! Nothing wrong with those sources, what do the deleters want, a film about porch sitting or a full page spread in the NY Times? For a topic of this nature they are actually very good references. 340:
show a number of relevant hits, though without access to the articles it's unclear how much information there is. But those hits do verify that this is a term in use, and a recognized cultural practice in the U.S.; the first hit states (in the results view): "Porch sitting is also a social act which
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No one's arguing that sitting on a porch is a real thing, just that it has such notability that it needs more than a reference in an article on porches. There is only one cited statement in this article, and it simply says that porch sitting is seen as a status
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are notable cultural activities. Even if it can be shown to be notable, the current state of the article would require a complete rewrite, so better to delete until such time that someone has the time and motivation to start from scratch.
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While the article in its current state is, no doubt, unsourced original research, I think there might be a topic here, given the community and cultural aspects. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time right now, but a quick search found
666:, this is an old custom where houses have porches, and in many eastern cities like Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Boston, where many row houses have stoops (i.e. front steps, often of marble) used for sitting and relaxing. -- 518:
Many sources have sense been added. Many news sources state how important porch sitting was and still is, for community security, etc. Many news sources state that air conditioning and television have caused its decline.
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would not be appropriate, given the scope of that article and the specificity of porch sitting as an (apparently) American cultural thing judging from the sources.
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wrote about it as well as part of a healthy neighborhood (I'll try to remember to check my copy later tonight). I also found
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Give me a break. I'm also not convinced that the activity can be shown to be a notable cultural activity, any moreso than
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There seem to be abundant sources for notability, and the article is probably expandable to a ery considerable extent.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Unsourced and OR. Potentially could be merged or redirected to people watching or as a section of porch. --
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Article is sourced, and thus no longer original research. Also, sufficient sources have been added to pass
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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aside, it does looks like enough sources have been provided to demonstrate notability:
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and mark for cleanup, expansion, references, etc. I'm thinking merging to
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Click the Google news archive search at the top. Many things come up.
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The topic is, in fact, completly notable being covered in books such as
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I personally hate sitting around on the porch doing nothing, but
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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When the Swing was King, Porch Sitting Once Was a Status Symbol
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the sourced content of the "article" (a single sentence) into
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Maybe it's just something to note in (and redirect to)
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