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410:. About the film: This is a case of an article on a "notable" subject started prematurely. I believe there is sourcing to be found on the subject-- highly likely in print, in Korean-- but because of the nature of the subject, it is going to be very difficult to find. It is unfair to expect an equal level of available sourcing from the latest U.S. blockbuster and a 30-year-old early film from a major director in a country whose cinema was, basically, closed to the rest of the world at the time, and would remain so for another decade and a half. I've looked around online and can't find much, but have added some to the article. Still, Park Chul-soo is a very important South Korean film director. Though this is one of his earlier and lesser-known films, the entire output of major directors should have some coverage. Some indications of Park's stature in Korean cinema: His films were chosen as the best film of the year at the 444:(2005) is a more recent significant film from Park, shown in international film festivals-- Sundance, Berlin Film Festival... I know some will scoff, thump the latest Knowledge (XXG) "notability" guidelines and quote them by verse and scripture, and damn this film as not meeting standards created by (mainly) U.S., English-speaking editors. But when sourcing for even the most minor and ephemeral of current U.S. films is so easy to find, and yet it is nearly impossible to find for even major Korean films from a few decades ago, I believe that applying such "notability" guidelines "equally" would result in an extremely biased coverage of world cinema. 744:(again, an official site of the Korean Film Archive-- affiliated with the South Korean government). Korean cinema is still lacking articles on many major films and persons, and Kang is obviously not as "notable" (at least within film) as Park Cheol-su, but still seems worthy of an article, and since one is started there's no point in deleting it now... I'll do what work I can on it later. 636:
here now. On Park Chol-su: Park's films winning the 1985 and 1986 Grand Bell is listed on page 278. Park and these two films are mentioned in the section "New Directors inthe 1980s" on p. 248. Also, in a profile of the director on page 330, it mentions that he won the New Director Award at the Hankuk
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Do you have any sources showing that these credits are to notable productions? Lots of indie screenwriters self produce small films. And IMDB filmographies are not reliable sources, as anyone can edit them. There have been many cases of peole editing their own listings to add things that do not
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has a listing of major South Korean film awards at the back of the book (I don't have a copy of it in front of me, but I'm pretty sure it lists up to 1986 or '87). Though IMDb doesn't list the awards for those particular years, it does show that Park won an award at the
245:. He is a very notable South Korean screen writer. I have added his filmography to the article which demonstrates that he has over two dozen credits as a screen writer. Most 3rd party references are in South Korean, so difficult to find English references to link to. 769:
articles. I can find two news articles on Kang's career as a poet (he was a versatile artist) and among his prolific works (wrote about 50 screenplays), screenplays for hit-dramas in 80s are included. On the other hand, the starred actors and actresses
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No notability standard requires English-language sources or full text available online. Do you have some sources for the Grand Bell Awards nominations/wins, to make the director's article a clear-cut case? -
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as one of his principal films. (Also, it might be worth mentioning that the KMDb cited above is not just the Korean equivalent of IMDb. It's an official national site maintained by the Korean Film Archive.)
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note, under the Grand Bell Awards tag: "1985, 24th: The Mother (dir. Park Chul-soo), Hwang Ki-sung Productions" and "1986, 25th: Pillar of Mist (dir. Park Chul-soo), Hwang Ki-sung Productions").
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Yes-- Park Chul-soo is a major Korean director, and I'm sure their is information out there about this film. I'm far from fluent, but can get by in Korean, and will add what I can later on.
123: 525: 344: 313: 287: 428:, it was the first South Korean film to receive international release. In 1999 the Korea Film Directors' Society gave Park the Best Director prize for 341: 346:. And, in the interests of reducing anglo-centricism on wikipedia, it would be great to have a Korean-reading wikipedian take a look at μ•„ν”ˆ μ„±μˆ™ in 718: 674: 474: 90: 85: 782:
are still notable figure in Korean film/drama industry. (Yu In-chon is the current minister of Culture, Sports and Tourism of South Korea
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etc... could probably track down more, later, but have to run now. Let's just pray Park doesn't turn out to have a performing twin.Β ;)
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Contested prod. Stub about a South Korean film with no references other than IMDB and no assertion of notability.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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the film for now, as Dekkappai has turned up some decent sources to start writing a proper article.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
785:, ah..I have to create an article of him too). I think the notability is confirmed so far. -- 806: 766: 640: 224: 158: 73: 65: 201: 745: 646: 609: 445: 381: 324: 298: 246: 543:) directed by Park Cheol-soo (감독 : λ°•μ² μˆ˜) shows it won the award (제24회 λŒ€μ’…μƒ μ˜ν™”μ œ (1985) ) 798: 265: 205: 188: 111: 802: 762: 733: 698: 440: 402: 150: 771: 532: 425: 320: 294: 416: 200:-- No notability established, only source is IMBD, which does not meet 783: 637:
Play and Film Arts Awards with his first feature (1979), and lists
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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keep. I think, that the film is important because its director
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Their listing for Park also gives several other awards
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