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certainly not new. The whole notion of paranormal vanishings or disapperances, of people(temporary or permanent), and sometimes of things, has a very long and solid tradition in folklore and, with the new arrival of, e.g., the alien abduction phenomenon, it seems to be firmly embedded in the modern world as well. The point, then, is that the problem here is merely one of what to call the article so that people can find it; the subject itself, on the other hand, surely meets all the criteria to warrant an article.
468:- i will have a go at it tomorrow, and redirect to a new title, and include 'disappearance stories' not simply as phenomena but as folklore ("strange disappearances" is a better title - a websearch turned lots of relevant returns, so that's a better title to go with.) (personal comment: why didn't anyone read the article's discussion page, where there was a consensus building up that it should be 'kept but improved'?) 309:. Provided sources are added, I see no reason to delete this. I have a nice book that could help add to it. There's no doubt gonna be people who find anything remotely paranormal unreliable. The fact is, whether it's true or not, it has been documented. I just think this personal was trying for a legitimate article. 375:
This page has been re-written into a more structured version using clear citations and modified examples. Specifically, OR has been replaced with (all be it unbalanced) views from WP:V sources. It's not perfect by a long shot (WP:V against still needs to be added), but it provides a starting point
584:: for reasons mentioned above, as well as the fact that this subject is well-covered at other places on the internet, such as About.com's paranormal pages ("Vanished! Unexplained Disappearances" and "Into Thin Air") and deserves to be adequately described in Knowledge (XXG)'s paranormal section. 429:
Much has been made from the deletion side about "paranormal vanishing" being a neologism. And while this might, in a sense, be true, it only means that there is a difficulty in categorisation in this case. It says nothing about the subject of the article itself which is fairly well known and is
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The subject is notable as a whole, the events are notable, and there are more to be added. Perhaps better this way than separate articles on each. I confess that I think it is all a little nutty, but so is our culture--we are here to document it, not pass judgement on it.
394:: For the same reasons cited above. Sure, you have sources, but the sources also state that they really fall into the fourth dimension as a possible theory. Methinks they are not reliable. Also, a lot of the article seems to be about a single case that was fake. -- 133:
and deletion was endorsed by at least one other editor, and the tags remained untouched for five full days, but after deletion an editor claimed that objections were recorded on the Talk page. I still can't find
492:- I think the concept is one that is not in use among paranormal investigators, and thus can only be useful for categorization. Nobody writes about "paranormal vanishings" en toto, but specific ones may exist. 525:
per Deleuze's reasoning and Totnesmartin's counter-argument. I truly think that the subject is a bit to ad hoc... but it's got books written about it, so why not? A new title would be nice... how about
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just isn't a good title. I don't think the title is to promote a neologism, it's just an attempt at a short descriptive title. If I get the chance, I'd like to have a go at fixing this. -
408:- The articles been re-written, POV and OR are removed, and multiple non-tivial reliable, verifiable independent sources of information have been added. I think that covers all potential 223:: as above, and also that the stories of disappearances, even when refuted, keep recurring in new forms; looks like a form of folklore, and so notable on that basis. 310: 159:- does not appear (heh) to be a term in common usage amongst parapsychologists (23 ghits, many of which are Knowledge (XXG)), possibly a neologism. 86: 81: 90: 73: 233:
The objections were placed on the pages talk page and have since been moved here. Original dates and user names have been preserved.
17: 175:, and apparently not even a recognised type of bollocks at that. While the 'phenomenon' might be documented (although hardly 572:- I just wandered by for the first time and it seems acceptable. Needs work, but that goes for a lot of stuff around here. 539: 552:
there's general agreement the "paranormal vanishing" is a crap title, but no consensus on a suitable replacement. Yet. "
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Article has been extensively rewritten to eliminate most if not all OR, changing nominator's opinion on deletion to
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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still doesn't meet notability requirements, and still reads and feels like a neologistic explication. --
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Please check and reaffirm/change votes based on the new version rather than the old version.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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by Paul Begg. Both 80s books,but there may be more recent ones.
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Disappearances that have been attributed to a paranormal cause
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from which a wiki-appropriate article could be written.
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
deletion review
Mackensen
(talk)
20:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Paranormal vanishing
Paranormal vanishing
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
WP:NOR
➥the Epopt
15:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
proposed for deletion
those objections
➥the Epopt
14:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Otto4711
16:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
bollocks
reliably
original research
The Crying Orc
16:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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