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principle), the forth one is exactly the same thing (about the principle, not the school, local news source, etc. etc.), same for the fifth. Knowledge isn't a news site anyway. So, none of those work. The first scholarly article is about "boys at schools dying" and only mentions the school briefly in refence to a kid that died (which is what the news articles on the principle are about and again not really about the school itself per say), the second one is about a coach who molested some kids at the school (which, again, isn't really about the school), the third is about some kids who beat some other kids at a hostel that is slightly related to the school somehow, but not the school. The book might work though. I'd probably give it a pass. I'm not sure how it fits in with everything else though. If you take the book, then it's one source that might or might be reliable. It's clearly in-depth though. So, at least that's something. As a side thing, based on the sources other then the book you could make a good argument for there to be an article about the boy who drowned and the principle. It seems like both have in-depth sustained coverage. I don't think it means anything for this articles notability that they do though. --
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drawning, while tragic or whatever ultimately have nothing to do with the school and that's anyone including me have been able to find. Maybe next time read the nomination before you vote and either provide some in-depth sources that are actually revelant or just don't participate, because just citing an essay and giving the nominator flake for something isint helpful or constructive. Its not going to result in the article being kept either. Only finding good quality, usable sources will and at this point there just isn't any.
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This school doesn't appear to be notable. Since all the references in the article are primary, extremely trivial, or about other things besides the school. Like obituaries for people that have gone there. Plus, I was unable to find the multiple in-depth reliable sources that direct discuss the school
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