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is no name for this rivalry, no trophy exchanged and no true animosity between the schools. This would be comparable to a
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This series between two in-state schools has been played for a long time, however, I don't see any evidence that it is an established, legit "rivalry". The biggest piece of evidence to support this claim, in my view, is the fact that Temple has only beaten Penn State four times in 45 meetings. There
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I'm a sports fan but even I can't justify calling this a rivalry. The games get the expected local and
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This nomination is written entirely in the present tense. As noted in a similar AfD, Knowledge (XXG) doesn't exist to document things in the present moment, and the title doesn't imply currency. However, I see no indication in the article that a rivalry ever really existed.
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