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467:, but the subjects are distinct since the nations have entirely different education systems - separate curriculums, administered by separate organisations, offering different qualifications, with exams sat at different ages - they're different from the start of primary education all the way through to university level (with four-year degrees in Scotland compared to three-year degrees in England and Wales, which are funded completely differently). I guess we could cover it all at one location, but I don't see why we'd do that as you'd need to describe each of them completely separately. I don't know much about the situation in Northern Ireland, but for me this is either a merge to 538:, all of which go unmentioned here. Nor does it cover the place of Physics in the historical Scottish university curriculum. Perhaps the article could be improved to address such deficiencies and cite or remove all the original research, but I think it would always show stress in the welds of differing systems. 533:
from early teens, sat the O-grade at age 15-16, the Higher at 16-17 and then left school: the stuff here about GCSEs and trying to derive and compare age 18 school exam stats doesn't fit with that (uncited apples-and-oranges original research) or, I think, with the several subsequent rebuilds of the
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typifies what mostly goes in physics education, whereas this UK article is about how sparse physics education is in the UK. I fail to see how North American editors would have the slightest insight into how physics is taught in the UK? Not enough people with insight have written reviews here -
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but rename: I believe education about a major field in science in a nation will meet GNG, there will be sources in journals and from conferences. The article needs work and it should be moved to an appropriate name.
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instead it's generic editors who patrol deletion discussions. The proposal to delete looks expedient and not hugely believable. More information should be added to the article, such as about the STFC for example?
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physics is not especially associated with local geography, politics and history and so the syllabus will tend to be similar in most countries
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But, on the other hand, we have topics of this sort for other subjects and so it would be inconsistent to do this one differently: see
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at 17, but I was too lazy and didn't need it to get into uni. None of which is encompassed by the sentence
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I have insight as I had a UK education in physics. Merger to the more general page seemed sensible in that:
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said above, but this article is a mess, particularly about Scotland. My cohort and I learned from
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per Andrew. "Selective" because it's so weakly sourced. But, in general, a merge seems sensible.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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the UK education system has influenced other countries which may still use their examinations
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The article title doesn't work for me. I expect that decent articles could be written about
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The Higher system of examinations allow a greater spread of subjects to be taken at 18
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that gives a couple of sentences to physics. I'd expect more to establish notability.
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It's not established that this specific topic merits its own article outside of
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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as above. Article needs tidying up, but AFD isn't cleanup. -
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I must be a bit younger than you - I did my physics
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