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335:, thank you for nominating this article for deletion because it gives us a chance to improve it. This subject is very difficult to research because his name is the same as a prominent French ambassador and most Haitian sources are in French. What we do know is that he competed at six events at major international championships (100m and 200m at 1976 Olympics, 1975 Pan Ams, 1975 University Games) and that he was an associate of then-president 374:, thank you for your reply. This discussion is a difficult one because we decide whether to keep an article based on notability, not speed -- although the two are definitely correlated. Étienne ran the men's 200m at the 1976 Olympics. I did the research, and it appears that every single 200m Olympian currently has an article from 565:
are laid out to say "reliable sources are likely to exist for these articles if..." If sources exist for hundreds (thousands?) of other 200m Olympians without exception since 1928, it would stand to reason that sources likely exist for Étienne too -- we just need to find them, which is why I think we
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to find a single men's 200m athlete without an article. It would defy probability to say that Étienne is the only 200m Olympian, including many of his contemporaries who were slower than him, from that time period out of thousands who is not notable. This combined with the fact that his name is the
546:, thank you for your vote because it helps us think more about the article. The reason why I brought up Étienne's probable association with Duvalier is because I think it might be one of many leads for research on reliable sources. For example, see the article about 206: 557:, thank you for pointing that out, it's absolutely true that just because something else exists, that should affect decisions made on an unrelated or marginally related thing. My argument isn't that 466: 459: 455: 451: 447: 443: 439: 435: 431: 427: 423: 419: 415: 411: 407: 403: 399: 395: 391: 387: 383: 379: 375: 200: 605: 267: 163: 300: 136: 131: 140: 271: 123: 470:
same as a prominent French ambassador, is why I think what we do know about him needs to be researched further before we decide to delete. What do you think? --
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these articles exist, then Étienne's article should exist -- it's just used as a probabilistic indication of notability, similar to how the rules in
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is not a defense -- that's why I am asking you to help us find Haitian or other sources for Étienne. I tried, but I could not find any tools at
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need to investigate the leads we have further before proceeding to delete. What do you think about that? --
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per nom. Getting into the Olympics because he's a pal of a dictator does not constitute notability.
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No indication of notability. Never won a medal and placed 24th in the 1975 Pan American Games,.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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that cover Haiti from that time period. Do you know of any leads? --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
601:. A note to Habst, this subject ran in the 100m, not the 200m. 495:
to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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A note to Habst, this subject ran in the 100m, not the 200m
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