356:, and many others) throughout the province. That the same phrase is used for different dishes in different part of the world does not justify deleting one of the meanings and both are mentioned in this article. Similarly, just because a restaurant in the UK uses a portmanteau of its principal dishes as its name, but doesn't actually serve "pizza-ghetti", is not a logical reason for deleting this. The article is fine as it stands, doesn't misrepresent anything, and actually refers to a real dish.
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231:(scroll down to "3 am at the Casse Croute"): "I open up the menu, a small book of photocopied paper, and try to decide what to get. My choices include all of the casse-croûte standards: hamburgers, poutine, souvlaki, fried rice, pizza, spaghetti and, of course, pizza-ghetti, that unbeatable combo of soggy pizza and overcooked pasta served side-by-side." And
140:. Also many of the references are blogs/user edited content on recipe site. The reference articles do not talk about the 'dish' rather just mension the combination of pizza and spagetti in passing as a neologism. The article even says that the restaurant chain which shares the name of this 'dish' doesn't even have it on the menu.
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doesn't seem to apply; the question is whether or not it is notable. I'm not sure if the article yet meets the notability guidelines, but it's certainly close, and given that it does seem to exist, and is considered "standard fare" for Quebec food, I don't think it would be impossible to find more
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Why not? If enough can be gathered together to make an article, even a stub, perhaps you could argue that a discrete dish exists and could have a page, should someone want to write one. To turn your debating style back on yourself,
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should exist? This is just a plate with two seperate items on it or ontop of each other and pasta made with pizza sauce is not exactly special or rare, its just a pasta dish. I'd seriously question if this even meets
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I see where you're coming from there but ask virtually anyone about Fish and chips and they'll know of that dish. It's a world famous dish popular in many different countries. Remember
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