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Whitney Museum of American Art. It was probably the Whitney exhibit that led me to think it possibly worth accepting. I am much less sure I would have accepted it now, and the foolish attempt to restore promotionalism makes the purpose of the article obvious.
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write about subjects of internal interest. It's essentially a semi-inependent an institutional organ. The objectivity is not the same as something outside of the institution. IN any case, the fact that the article relies on so many sources connected to places where he has taught, and not on independent recognition in the general press, is indicative of the lack of notability.
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Emerson's in-house student newspaper, unless I am mistaken. He was a student at UCLA, and a professor at Emerson, so those are not independent sources. Taken all together, that is not much improved in terms of sourcing from what we had at nomination. I also went looking for the books you mentioned
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In 2013 I saw an even more over-personal promotional Draft version of this, and approved it after removing much of the promotionalism . In 2018 a different spa than the first editor added back most of what I removed, and not surprisingly it then attracted attention, leading to this AfD. If there
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Berkeley Beacon that deal with the racial issues of a tenure denial At Emerson College. (Ironically, and just speaking generally, you get denied tenure for the same reason you get denied at AfD: lack of independent
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493:- Found reliable sources, cited them, tightened writing, removed POV, duplicate info and dup sources. While the article still needs work, it passes notability guidelines. Also, the subject is cited in several books as a cinematographer. Passes
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