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America's "prime minister" -- the Chief of Staff, the Speaker of the House, the House Majority Leader, the Secretary of State, etc. The rest of it is observations like "Today, the term is applied by people unfamiliar with the American presidential system of government, who presume that the chief executive official (the President of the United States) is instead called the prime minister (e.g. "Prime Minister Obama")." That's why teachers use a red pen when they're grading papers. Note that
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President of the United States article. The term has been used, but that doesn't mean it should have an article. There is not enough coverage of the term to make it a notable phrase that deserves an article in Knowledge. There is significant usage of the term, but there is no notability as per Knowledge standards.
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An article "having some structure and content" does not mean it should stay, nor does the "hundreds of google hits" mean it is notable. The fact that it is an article that has been around for the better part of a decade also doesn't mean it should remain. The fact is the term is for a position that
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Knowledge's younger days when it would take just about any contribution. After nearly six years, most of this remains original research. A few sources are given to show that, at one time or another, some political commentator has jokingly labelled someone as being
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