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Australia organized a fully funded research project supported by investors. Records of the existance of this company are at Springfield College in Massachusetts where they wire transferred $ 15,000 for the two students' educations, and at Social Security Administration, where the company was getting information for one of the student's foster family. Based on the facts, that this information is true and verifiable at said sources and sources given in the article, and that this project has signifficance in society, it belongs.
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it's members are notable people. The reference gives the information about the book, and it is the real Who's Who book, not one of the 'scam' versions where people's autobiographies are in them. This project is honored in the real honor society, where inclusions were provided by the state colleges, not the students themselves. It is an unrelated party acknowledging these students and this project and thus they are notable on these grounds. It required these people and this project to make an achievement and contribution to society in a notable way to be honored by the Who's Who honors organization. The members of this project have also been inducted into other well respected international honor societies, such as Phi Theta Kappa as well.
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with for making an ion barrier. Their big bang theory is an interesting concept. They don't claim to have proven that, it is just based on their research into physics and relativity. That is what the project was set out to explore. After over 2 decades of working on that, engineering and machining of the parts and constructing equipment, I would expect they would be good at what they do and would end up with some kind of contribution to science. I would not call any research colleague who studies quantum physics and engineering as impossible. They were funded by investors for that long, they were obviously working on something important. The researchers were both 44 when the project completed in early 2011. They were not kids then.
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January, the reason for deletion was because it was not researched well enough and did not have enough sources. I was told to do more work finding more information on the project and re-submit it. I did. I have also contributed other interesting facts about Connecticut. I did verify the credentials of the project with Asnuntuck College where the scientists studied and the awards they recieved. Also the tuition was paid to Asnuntuck via a trust fund from Project Home 2011.
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Envirotech E.A. LTD that paid for courses for the two research colleagues in the article in 2001, and they gave me a lead to follow where I found proof of the existance of the company and the project, at a Notary Republic in downtown Springfield Mass, that has a legal record of a Jackie James from a company called Envirotech E.A. LTD based in Australia, notarizing documents on behalf of John and Matt Mitch, in 2002. Therefore the project is proven to not be a hoax, and that truthfulness tag should be removed. The content of the article should be condensed. -Kimbookworm
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be ommitted until sources for that aspect are found. The section about the maglev device should stay, because there are reliable second party sources, such as the tv show, that specificaly note the project for that. All references, no matter how strong or weak should all stay included as they back up the information.-Kimbookworm
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happened that this notary would have kept records of people for whom he did not actually notarize documents, back before notaries in
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on the basis of sourcing: the so-called "scientific paper" is a proposal to present a paper at a conference--not only is a conference presentation not proof of notability, but the , according to the source, the paper has not yet been accepted--or even submitted. Nothing else that possibly is a usable
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I heard of Project Home 2011. They designed some robots that can hover above the ground while studying the nature of quantum particles. They did come up with equations for ion barriers, and did a demonstration on 1/1/2011 when it ended. I was able to find out from Springfield College that there was a
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I only asked ONE person I know to help me dig up information for my article. I did not ask anyone to join this discussion. Many people in the general area this research project was held know about it. If word got around that some people here were contesting whether that project made the achievements
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The guys that did the work in that project, John Obik and Matt Mitch U. were in the Enfield Press newspaper for Project Home 2011, around 10 years ago and were given awards at the college when they were inducted into both phi theta kappa and whos who honor societies. They are pretty well known in a
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It just so happens that there was an Envirotech E.A. LTD company in Australia, and they did indeed select the two genius level kids in 1979 for the project. Decisions should be based on facts, not personal speculation. My research for the article was extensive and I found records from the department
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I am the author of the article, but I am not affiliated with the project. I became interested in it as a highlight of Connecticut when I saw them demonstrate their technology on TV. I am interested in Connecticut history. Project Home 2011 is well known in the Northeast. The COI tag is not true, and
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I would like to add a comment here. This article couldn't be further from a 'hoax'. It was a real research project and to cry hoax is very bias personal opinion, not to mention not true. If that is the rational for suggesting deleting it, then considering this is nowhere near any kind of hoax, that
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five courses in physics, three of them introductory - or notable scientific awards. But by all means ... if you claim to have "verified the credentials" of your project with Asnuntuck, would you mind telling me with whom? I'm happy to contact the person myself.
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