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With respect to both you and the nominator, I disagree. "Non-notable publication, no reliable secondary sources" is so vague that it could very well just be the nominator's personal opinion--aside from the fact that it wasn't even "true" to begin with. AGF, but this nomination was also one of about
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points out there appear to be several reliable sources addressing, if nothing else, the decision to shut down this publication which, to me, demonstrates notability. That said, I do think the article needs improvement given its near complete lack of sources. Here are a few potential sources I found
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Notability could have been addressed sometimes after 2004 but maintenance often lags real time by an enormous amount. Some espouse that a "presumption of notability" is all that is required and that may suffice as long as notability is not contested. Some espouse that sourcing requirements are not
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Where are the reliable sources exactly? The article has none and does not in any way demonstrate notability. If you have reliable sources that establish notability, please provide them.
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