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Glassdoor. If not deleted, then the article should be completely rewritten using only sources where Torossian has not had his hands in things, which is hard to decipher at this point. His notability is tied to being too involved and too close to things in ways that skirt legality, his firm is not notable.
363:: The first source you cite is from a trade press, which covers a lot of small PR firms that naturally fall below Knowledge's notability bar; and the second source is from 2012. I know I have cited sources from 1912, but this is not exactly the same. The point is, Torossian might have achieved some measure of notoriety 20 years ago, but notoriety (or perhaps notoriousness) is not the same as notability.
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Former short-term employee of about 7-8 years ago. There is nothing notable here aside form the recent scandal of him being unmasked as the buyer of a PR "news" website where he promoted his own firm and clients. Most of the article and previous versions of the article had sockpuppet accounts
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