1721:
I haven't realized that there could be such thing as offsite canvasing, so I didn't see any problem with the original forum message I have posted offsite, which is identical to what yuvalg9 has posted here (which is why I assumed he copied form this forum). I then realized that canvasing can also take place offsite, and changed this forum message and wrote about that in my Talk page. I didn't try to hide the original forum and in fact it appears in my reference list. I am aware about what you wrote to me in our private emails exchange and first I didn't mass email, but used a
Knowledge feature. If there is an email feature, I (and anyone) can use it. If you don't want to receive emails, change your account's settings. Also, I am not the creator of this article and even though I have connection to the old company Harmony Soft, being one of the founders, that doesn't mean I was the only founder nor the only person involved. Several persons where involved in this venture and I am not obliged to reveal the identity of whom started this article, even if I knew who he or she is. I don't know your identity, and same goes with most of the Knowledge users who doesn't use their real name. Please don't use the word "we" when you express your own opinion. I understand from your message that you don't trust me as an editor, and I am sorry to hear that. I got some positive feedbacks about my editing and I can tell you that I do trust you as an editor. Since I trust you, and to be on the safe side, I removed the offsite forum message.M. H. 18:29, 26 August 2013 (UTC) Updated M. H. 08:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1927:"Editors are expected to avoid personal attacks and harassment of other Wikipedians. This applies equally to all Wikipedians: it is as unacceptable to attack a user who has a history of foolish or boorish behaviour, or even one who has been subject to disciplinary action by the Arbitration Committee, as it is to attack any other user. Knowledge encourages a positive online community: people make mistakes, but they are encouraged to learn from them and change their ways. Personal attacks and harassment are contrary to this spirit, damaging to the work of building an encyclopedia, and may result in blocks."
1701:
creator of the article, even though that user in his last edit seemed to strongly imply that he was none other than you. Sending e-mails to multiple users, no matter how neutral they are, is frowned upon, as I have already told you in our e-mail interaction. Start using user talk pages, stop posting obviously NOT neutral messages on external forums, and stop claiming not to be the same person as the original creator of the article, and then we might be able to trust you as a
Knowledge editor.
2093:
proves that this article is about a notable product, then, as someone wrote here: notability is not temporary. A vote can't be done as a "revenge" or as part of a personal dispute or attack. It should be noted. I don't know him and don't have anything against him, even though he seems to keep posting more and more comments and accusations and till now, I took the time and answered to each and one of them, trying to be polite as much as I can. Please ignore this vote.M. H.
2057:
non-sock-using editor creating a new article at a later date". MH has provided us with some semi-decent sources, but he's also spent precisely zero-effort on using these sources to improve the article itself, while posting non-stop screes against his fellow
Wikipedians, altering/removing/refactoring their edits, and constantly refusing to admit how many users he e-mailed, how many external forums he asked for help on, how many accounts
1249:(at best, if you can find a 'reliable source' that said such a thing, you could quote what it said, but the Knowledge text itself should probably be more neutral). The same goes for describing the screen updates as "ultra fast" (maybe it would be more interesting if the article said something about the method that was used for this and exactly how much of a speedup it got over other wordprocessors of the time).
78:
1310:
with the feature of having the text read out load, but it happens that these two were mentioned and emphasized as unique by the news articles and reviews published about
Rashumon, which some of them are brought here. (After decision is made, I will add some of these as references in the article itself). In my opinion, the notability Rashumon has, lays on the multilinguality, as it
1817:
message (which I have deleted) was perfectly OK and kept a natural tone, and even though, to be on the safe side, and to show my respect to the
Knowledge community. I deleted my message off site. I am not going to continue this ridicules argument with you, which goes round and round in circles.M. H. 13:14, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2052:
week, since roughly half of the !votes need to be dismissed out of hand and the one posting all the sources is an obvious COI editor who is also responsible for 100% of the off-site canvassing, and has been lying constantly and doing his very best to cover up his underhand activities. I think the sources do
2084:: this is not a genuine vote but someone trying to start a personal fight with me, calling me names and cursing me. The place for such attacks is definitely not in this page. The article about Rashumon is not me, and I am not the article. These are 2 separate entities. See the talk page for examples of
2099:
No, you don't get to do that. The closing admin will review all comments and judge them on the merits. An editor might want an article deleted, then see that it has been improved and later change his/her recommendation. The reverse can also be true - an article might look ok on its face, but later be
1692:
which was very kind, helpful and guided me as for what I should and should not do. That being said, onsite and offsite messages ARE allowed and these messages were 'limited and reflected a neutral point of view'. (I have posted in an Amiga forum an invitation to participate in this debate and to vote
1077:
as there is of any of the other accounts voting for deletion of this article. Your accusation against Marko75 of "a wave of sock/meatpuppets such as yourself" and his direct response to this means that he did understand the very words that you said. Please consider more carefully such accusations in
589:
There are MANY other resources, most of them unfortunately are printed material but I have asked colleges form the Amiga community to look for such. Please remove the deletion nomination to give us time to provide more references but in my opinion, the sources that are currently will be sufficient to
340:
Well, to begin with, this is not a new article and I am NOT the one who wrote this article originally, just added some further information. There are many sources to backup the notability of this product. This product is considered to be notable because of its ability to handle multi-lingual text on
2221:
The MH account has now been blocked as a sock/disruptive editor. As they have extensively edited this discussion, I think it would be disruptive for me to go through and strike/delete everything, but keep it in mind. Based on the later !votes from established editors, consensus may well be that this
1867:
Are you serious? When you use bad language against someone, take responsibility! Apologize! Don't look for excuses... I preferred all discussions to take place in the Talk page. You insisted and edit-war'ed me to move them back and now you are complaining that your embarrassing cursing appear in the
1720:
I agree that I am not yuvalg9, but I have provided a claim thinking otherwise. I didn't try to hide any posting (it is impossible to hide anything in
Knowledge, as all history is kept forever), and I thought what yuvalg9 did was inappropriate. At that time, and as I tried to explain again and again,
2051:
Despite MH's comment below (I really wish he'd stop (1) removing/editing other users' comments and (2) requesting that other users remove/edit their own comments), I actually have a nuanced opinion on what should be done with this article. In my opinion, this AFD has been a complete sham since last
2011:
The screenshot that you have placed here is the original version which was changed after several minutes. I then changed the text accordingly, phrasing my invitation to be neutral, asking visitors to express their opinion and vote to delete or keep the article, and finally, even though not required
1309:
Rashumon was published in 1989 and had discontinuous selections and was the only graphic word processor to have that. Anyhow, to follow your lead, I would say that many features such as "searching the word 'tomato' in red and replacing it with 'banana' in yellow" were indeed gimmicks, and same goes
2092:
has placed already a comment about this article and wrote: "I'm neutral as to whether this article should be deleted or kept", but I felt the need to disclose this. Michael.haephrati has". So now, suddenly he has a different opinion about this article? doesn't seem so. If the sources provided here
1633:
and made a good-faith misinterpretation of the part that says "Notifications must be ... neutrally worded with a neutral title" to refer to off-wiki communications as well as talk page comments. It therefore seems incredibly likely to me that
Michael.haephrati located Marko75 by some means (though
1035:
You did not understand a single word that I said. The point was, the claim that MrOllie has a "personal issue" just because he feels this article does not meet this projects notability standards is bullshit. I pointed out some similar deletion discussions in the past where the fans of said topics
1816:
I am not trying to fight you back but please get off of me!!! I don't know and don't care who published this forum message (that seems to be a copy of the one I have deleted, from a different forum. You (and so am I) can't control the entire world, but in any case I am 100% sure that my original
1525:
If the article is kept, an admin closing the debate would copy that template to the talk page of the article. In that way, editors would know that the article had been nominated for deletion, had been kept, and could read the debate. If the article is deleted, the template doesn't matter because
1350:
I disagree. Being the only word processor that was available for editing documents with multiple and opposed direction languages on the Amiga, and as the sources brought are indeed genuine and reliable (news papers and magazines), Rashumon deserves to keep it's own page (which exists for 3 years
708:
I have seen here a request which came from another user to vote for this article. I am shocked and would like to ask you to ignore such odd request which causes more damage than good (I reverted it instantly). I think I have provided the necessary sources to back up the value of this article and
1700:
I never accused you of being Yuvalg9. Anyone who did so would need to be a complete idiot, as you clearly meant to hide that posting from the
Knowledge community as indicated by your reverting Yuvalg9. Please take that accusation back. You do, however, above assert that you are not the original
1266:
to search for a word in a specific colour?) I've implemented many features in my own software that I hoped would be really useful to everyone, but in some cases I could be the only one who ever used that feature. Unfortunately, Knowledge is mostly a notebook about what is/was important to the
1628:
on ANI. His e-mail confirmed that it was him (not someone else named
Michael Haephrati) who posted the off-wiki canvassing, and that he had edited the post to be more "neural" after I pointed it out on ANI. His initial e-mail also mentioned that he was "looking for cooperation with any user or
2061:
has edited from. I therefore think not only has this AFD been poisoned, but the article itself has been poisoned by all of these scandals, and there's nothing to be lost -- and plenty to be gained -- by deleting the current article and starting over. And if anyone thinks this is an ad hominem
1166:
You are perfectly right about that. AFDs typically don't restrict editors from voting even if they don't have any (or have short) editing history. In this case, this debate is semi-protected, so there aren't any sockpuppeteers here for sure, and Yuvalg is a real person. Not a puppet. See the
1432:
for what it's worth, I just copied/pasted all those refs into the article (new
References section). It needs more work though (maybe by someone more familiar with Amigas than I am; the only Amiga I ever touched was the one that happened to be connected to a piano keyboard in a school music
1501:
The article has this comment at the top: For administrator use only: {{Old AfD multi|page=Rashumon|date=21 August 2013|result='''keep'''}} OK I understand this is "for administrator use only" but just out of curiosity can someone explain what result=keep means when the AfD is still open?
2056:
make the topic meet GNG (though just barely), but I think more can be gained from deleting the article, keeping this AFD, and allowing other users to come along later and create a decent article using the sources MH has provided us. That's what I meant by "no prejudice toward a non-COI,
1241:. This is probably the best compromise because Knowledge's standards of "what should have its own article" are stricter than its standards of "what should be mentioned" (in another article). I was contacted by Knowledge email about this, and in this case I have interpreted it as a
1964:
which was changed and doesn't mention Knowledge at all. The original post was about 2 issues and I left the 2nd issue which has nothing to do with Knowledge and this debate. I have now noticed that the title wasn't changed and I have changed it.M. H. 13:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1788:
I'm noticing that taken purely on number of !votes, "Keep" seems to have the lead, but given the rampant canvassing ... I don't envy the admin who has to figure out how to close this fairly ... maybe block MH and re-nominate with a semi-protected AFD and close it after 4 days ...
787:
This was one of the important milestones in the history of Amiga software, a word-processor that was way ahead of its time in terms of WYSIWYG and Postscript support. I used this software so I can attest to its qualifications. Otherwise I have no connection to this program or its
1693:
for keeping or for deleting this article). People makes mistakes and no one is perfect, but this discussion is about the notability of a product and about keeping or deleting an article. The article and me are two different and separate entities, and as someone wrote here,
1847:
MH, don't provoke me with a gross personal attack so I respond with justifiably foul language on an essentially hidden forum, then re-post my comment in the middle of this AFD and then claim my defence against your unprovoked personal attack was itself a personal attack.
1635:
672:
Back then bidirectional support and proportional fonts were not features built into the OS and Rashumon had both. I was one of the customers and supporter of Rashumon. It was a product very unique to the Amiga in general and Amiga users in Israel in particular.
1121:, soliciting keep votes from other fanboys off-wiki. You're all quite clearly complicit in gaming and undermining this deletion discussion. If you do not like simple truths pointed out to you, then don't try to pull easily-exposed stunts like this in public.
1675:
template text, "...While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view...". I indeed failed to comply with that at first but I have acknowledged my mistake and apologized in my
1332:. It would be better in this more-specific page. I was contacted by email because I'm an Amiga user from near its beginning (1985), but haven't used it since a few years after Commodore went bankrupt. However, I have never heard of this software before.
1275:. If your software or my software has some feature of amazing value, but nobody else can see it, then that doesn't count on Knowledge. But remember that Knowledge isn't everything! Just because Knowledge doesn't have an article on something, that
1116:
Take your "caution" elsewhere, as I dismiss it out of hand. We have piles of "new" editors showing up here who have never edited anywhere else, we have one who votes to keep after 5 months of inactivity, and the cherry on top was thus Yuvalg9 guy
966:
A desire to keep the project free of non-notable subjects and defending deletion discussions against a wave of sock/meatpuppets such as yourself does not mean that Ollie or myself or others have a "personal issue" here. This could be Rashumon or
341:
Amiga computers before that was common. Just look at www.aminet.net and other sources for Amiga products. All the sources that follow are independent. Most of them are from the years 1989-1994 and many sources aren't indexed by Google.
1526:
there would be no talk page to copy it to - so there's no "delete" version. It's just a time saver for whatever admin comes through to close out the debate, and it is part of every single AFD tag, regardless of the article.
1253:
had multiple selections before Rashumon, so multiple selections wasn't original, although it's possible that Rashumon's multiple selections worked a bit differently from Wordstar's; perhaps they worked a bit like
885:- none of those sources seem like reliable sources to provide an indication of it's notability. Directory listings, adverts, an interview with the author, download sites etc are not third party reliable sources.
1521:
I have done some research and in the AfD template, there are fields like 'date', 'page' ,etc. One of these fields is 'result" and the default value for this field is "keep". --M. H. 19:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
2026:
Mostly because MH's harassing of me both on-wiki and by e-mail has convinced me that something must be fishy here. No prejudice toward a non-COI, non-sock-using editor creating a new article at a later date.
283:
1923:, so this is your last warning. Please take back these expressions that don't belong here and if you don't I will have to file a formal complaint about is as I am NOT going to tolerate such language.
1467:
as I think there is potential if all these references can be sorted out. Unfortunately I don't have much time to help myself during the time-frame of this deletion discussion. But I would say
1245:
request for help from an editor whose English is not perfect and who might not have understood all the relevant guidelines. By the way, describing a feature as "revolutionary" is probably not
1318:. The Operating System didn't support that, (unlike Any OS these days that embed this functionality), so it required huge custom and low level development. M. H. 16:37, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1395:"... Rashumon can combine text in two languages properly; each line can be characterize separately based on its main language... A unique graphic word processor for the Amiga computer...".
1078:
the future. Such accusations seems to indicate some sort of pre-bias against this subject or some editor involved in the article. In other words, they bias people against your position.
1175:
of the AFD you will find another editor who wasn't allowed to express his opinion. As I said, some Administrators here are too easy on the trigger... M. H. 15:58, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1764:
with "Knowledge page about an Amiga word processor (Rashumon)" in the title, despite having apparently edited the posting "Yesterday at 12:21 PM..". Someone named AndreasM posted
944:
MrOllie, you seem to be suspicious and negative to anyone who votes to keep the article. Looks like you have a personal issue here while everyone here is expected to be impartial.
1685:
1168:
824:
85:
1667:
to those who allowed that in their account's preferences (and that can be disabled by any one at any time). Publishing the contents of a private email is considered to be an
1732:
This is degenerating into a waste of time; just work through the AFD. The closing admin will be well aware of the canvassing issues now, it need not be discussed further. --
1624:
I'm neutral as to whether this article should be deleted or kept, but I felt the need to disclose this. Michael.haephrati has been contacting me by e-mail since my initial
431:
1452:
Thanks a lot! I arranged these sources and references a bit (cosmetically) but still need to work on it, and will appreciate any help. --M. H. 19:27, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
236:
314:
Non notable, defunct software. This article (which appears to have been added by the software's author) has no independent sourcing of any kind, so it does not meet the
1460:
635:
615:
277:
2179:
1172:
972:
1279:
mean there's no real value in that thing. Incidentally a while ago I put an essay on my personal website (full of original research and other no-nos) called
975:. There was no bias towards any of these fan-driven projects, we just point to the simple fact that they do not meet the Knowledge threshold for notability.
1552:. Not all old magazines are archived online. Obviously the Amiga computer system is long dead and gone, so no magazines dedicated to it are still going.
1073:, you should be very careful in accusing accounts of being puppets. You have presented no evidence of such, so there is just as much evidence of such for
2062:
argument, bear in mind that if I worked that way I would be at least as likely to !vote the same way as Lukeno94 as I am to !vote the opposite way as MH.
1684:
and DID NOT publish my original offsite message (prior to revising it by me) in this page. He did it. copying the text from my old post and has done that
1001:
I am not Rashumon, nor Polandball, nor Orville. My name is Marko SeppΓ€nen, not anyone else. I almost take that as personal insult, distrusting me as user
968:
2187:
2166:
2161:. We don't punish the behavior of some editors by penalizing our readers. The behavioral issues can be solved at ANI, where there is a thread posted.
1981:
1945:
1884:
1423:"Want to combine the Greek, Arabic, English and Hebrew languages in one document? The Rashumon, Graphic Word Processor / DTP Publisher can do it"
1367:
1191:
851:
1433:
department, and all I did then was save a MIDI file for further work on a PC; I never got any idea about how to do any real work on the Amiga).
866:- What mentions are out there are trivial and in mostly non-reliable sources. This is fast becoming a meatpuppet/sockpuppet happyfest, too.
724:
Amazingly, that exact message was posted to an amiga forum, under your username, so who could have written that improper notice? I wonder...
2183:
2162:
243:
566:
I see two indiscriminate product directories, An old usenet post, and a scanned image that is too small to be legible. These are not the
2106:
1638:
before now) and in good-faith contacted him by e-mail. Or, given the history here, it might have been another user who contacted him.
1532:
770:
The sources are reliable, and their age/obscurity is irrelevant, but the coverage therein is minimal. in passing blurbs do not count.
1464:
94:
1471:
if these refs can be sorted out and we can clearly show what was notable about this piece of software. (In fact, if my reading of
1507:
1480:
1438:
1292:
700:
447:
You can also view scanned copies of printed articles about this product: To verify the authenticy of the scanned articles, this
124:
529:
1246:
17:
1607:
decent coverage for passing general notability threshold. No prejudice against a merging discussion on the article talk page.
1382:
Why I think Rashumon deserves it's own separate article. Please look at these examples of news articles from reliable sources:
585:
Thanks for your response. Aminet is the official site for Amiga software. The write up (that appears too small) is here again:
2071:
2036:
1857:
1833:
1800:
1710:
1647:
1776:"If you have an opinion about that matter, Please express it in this page. (Apparently new Knowledge members can't vote)
696:
1990:
I believe you mean to say that the post NO LONGER contains references to wikipedia, because it certainly did originally.
1287:
which I hope will help us not to get too carried away with making sure this or that reference site says what we wantΒ :-)
499:
411:
209:
204:
298:
2202:. Meets GNG, as it has requisite coverage in independent sources. Needs clean-up, but that is not cause to delete.--
1977:
1941:
1880:
1677:
1363:
1329:
1242:
1187:
847:
714:
659:
603:
556:
213:
110:
806:
Note to closing admin, the above user is involved in sock/meat puppetry and canvassing on this subject per this diff
265:
1258:'s discontinuous selections? anyway it would probably be necessary to find outside sources that said a feature was
1472:
809:
and is the subject of an SPI investigation as a suspected sock/meatsock, along with Agovrin, of Michael.Haephrati.
1475:
is correct, the original nominator of the AfD ought to withdraw their nomination if the reason for it goes away.)
437:
83:
If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is
2250:
893:
196:
40:
2132:
off-site editors to participate in this AfD, and he should stop disruptively removing things he disagrees with.
1680:, and of course revised the wordings of my message, including my offsite message. Just for the record, I am not
1664:
1511:
1484:
1442:
1296:
362:
586:
387:
358:
823:
Note to closing admin, the above vote should be counted. The user was not proven a sock/meat puppetry (see
1973:
1937:
1876:
1359:
1183:
843:
759:
710:
655:
599:
552:
448:
259:
156:
432:
A review by Sams Harari, editor of "32 Bit" Magazine, November 1991 (Hebrew, plus translation to English)
2246:
2144:
36:
1992:
595:
452:
2207:
1969:
1933:
1872:
1668:
1355:
1179:
886:
839:
255:
140:
114:
57:
1587:: reviewed/discussed in a lot of reliable printed magazines in many languages. Let us remember that
456:
2231:
2211:
2191:
2170:
2149:
2133:
2110:
2094:
2076:
2041:
2006:
1862:
1838:
1805:
1738:
1715:
1672:
1652:
1614:
1599:
1575:
1536:
1515:
1503:
1488:
1476:
1446:
1434:
1341:
1300:
1288:
1227:
1130:
1087:
1045:
1014:
984:
953:
933:
919:
900:
875:
818:
797:
779:
762:
733:
718:
682:
663:
647:
627:
607:
598:. The scanned write-up is from a UK magazine named Amiga Format. (I have the original somewhere).
590:
keep this article any how. Just to let you know, the Amiga magazines that mentioned Rashumon were:
579:
560:
331:
291:
99:
61:
945:
789:
688:
674:
2227:
2068:
2033:
2002:
1961:
1920:
1854:
1830:
1824:. The parenthetical statement clearly shows you edited the message after the page was protected.
1797:
1707:
1644:
1597:
814:
775:
729:
519:
441:
146:
77:
305:
2129:
2101:
1681:
1527:
1222:
1010:
949:
929:
915:
793:
753:
692:
678:
643:
623:
575:
327:
29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
2245:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
1630:
1553:
1409:"... This seems appropriate as HarmonySoft emphasises multilingual aspect of their program."
503:
1822:<Response to removed personal attack also removed for use of inappropriate language: -->
2203:
2100:
shown to be a copyright violation. You don't get to decide what counts and what does not.
1779:
If you have more reliable sources such as magazine reviews, etc. please send them to me.
1694:
1660:
1588:
1337:
1083:
53:
828:
480:
An article about Rashumon's Desktop Publishing version 1.2D in Amazing Computing Sep-1992
2012:
to, deleted the post entirely to be on the safe side. M. H. 15:37, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1671:. Nevertheless, I haven't contacted Marko75 and don't know him at all. According to the
1415:
1401:
1387:
515:
511:
507:
495:
491:
487:
483:
479:
475:
471:
467:
424:
399:
1608:
1238:
1126:
1041:
980:
871:
709:
wouldn't like such vandalism acts to hurt this article. Thanks for your understanding.
1548:
Magazines have written articles about it in the past. Therefore it clearly meets the
924:
Would you mind telling me how you came across this AFD after a seven month absence? -
271:
2223:
2158:
2125:
2089:
2085:
2063:
2028:
1998:
1912:
1849:
1825:
1792:
1761:
1702:
1689:
1639:
1592:
1584:
1549:
810:
771:
748:
725:
381:
315:
200:
1036:
were passionate, but passion does not make a non-notable thing become notable here.
1734:
1219:
1074:
1006:
1002:
925:
911:
832:
744:
743:
I don't see how the sources (blogs, obscure magazines) and coverage depth meet our
639:
619:
571:
496:
An article about Rashumon published at Amiga User International Magazine (UK), 1994
323:
319:
174:
162:
130:
1760:
MH, despite promising to refrain from on- and off-site canvassing, has maintained
230:
1388:
A review done by Sems Harari, "32 Bit" Magazine (Hebrew + translation to English)
109:
However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
654:
I have updated my original list of sources and argument as per your comments. --
591:
567:
512:
Certificate for Rashumon issued by the Israeli Ministry of Education and Calture
460:
416:
393:
1765:
1659:
With all due respect I resent that accusation. Sending onsite email messages (
1333:
1280:
1163:
1079:
910:- By those sources given by Michael.haephrati above, it seems notable enough.
541:
535:
369:
1915:, You are out of line and writing to other editors here the following text:
1122:
1070:
1037:
976:
867:
1768:
on "24.08.2013 - 09:31", which appears to be a copy of something MH posted
1312:
brought Amiga users the ability to edit text in opposed direction languages
827:), and to the best of my knowledge this is a genuine user (a real person),
375:
1250:
530:
Author's own article about the development of Rashumon (plus source code)
192:
67:
508:
An article about Rashumon at Enigma Amiga Run, volume 54 page 12, Italy
425:
An article about Rashumon at Enigma Amiga Run, volume 54 page 12, Italy
405:
835:
project. Please count this vote. M. H. 18:45, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
472:
An article about Rashumon's new version, Amazing Computing 7-Apr-1992
484:
An article about Rashumon version 2.3 at Amazing Computing, May 1994
1919:
will probably lead to blocking you (again), due to breaching the
1583:
Messy AFD aside, the sources provided show that it clearly meets
1262:
to demonstrate notability (for example, has anyone ever found it
2239:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
1255:
476:
Another write-up about Rashumon, Amazing Computing 08-Oct-1993
72:
1005:
to not be real. Therefore I will leave this discussion here.
506:, Israel, 1991 (Hebrew with translation into English) 13j.
322:
to verify the article or it's claims to be 'revolutionary'.
103:(agreement) is gauged based on the merits of the arguments,
400:"textfiles" - Amiga software products (among them Rashumon)
318:
and should be deleted. I've searched and I cannot find any
1868:
main page? Michael Haephrati 18:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2222:
passes GNG in spite of the shenanigans involved earlier.
1316:
which no other word processor for the Amiga could provide
1688:. I sent very few 'friendly notices' including a one to
1625:
1118:
807:
226:
222:
218:
831:, known for his involvement in another Amiga project,
290:
1416:
Write With A Twist, published by Amiga World Magazine
388:
An article about the Arabic support added to Rashumon
542:
Flickr photo stream of sources and scanned material
2157:. The long list of article shows that this passes
1119:screwing up and posting his canvassing notice here
382:http://leb.net/reader/text/reader.list/v11/n02.v11
536:An article in Amiga.org user group, by the author
492:An article published in Denmark, HiScore Magazine
43:). No further edits should be made to this page.
2253:). No further edits should be made to this page.
488:An article published in Germany, Aktuel Magazine
1351:already).M. H. 16:02, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
636:list of Software-related deletion discussions
616:list of Business-related deletion discussions
304:
123:Comments may be tagged as follows: suspected
93:among Knowledge contributors. Knowledge has
8:
2178:Note: This debate has been included in the
1314:(such as Hebrew-English, or Arabic-French),
634:Note: This debate has been included in the
614:Note: This debate has been included in the
2180:list of Israel-related deletion discussions
1497:What does result=keep mean in this comment?
2177:
1745:The following discussion has been closed.
1728:
633:
613:
345:
97:regarding the encyclopedia's content, and
1991:
1785:Michael Haephrati <email removed: -->
117:on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end.
2128:. Michael is strongly advised to avoid
440:, a review about Rashumon published by
1929:. M. H. 13:37, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1697:...M. H. 11:23, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
1402:A write up by Amiga User International
412:Full text where Rashumon was reviewed
7:
468:Amiga World - Article about Rashumon
1465:WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron
1772:the canvassing scandal took place:
1425:M. H. 17:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
24:
1814:<Personal attack removed: -->
1629:editor". He has apparently read
76:
2184:Someone not using his real name
2163:Someone not using his real name
594:(just added a link to it), and
18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion
1994:File:Haephrati canvsassing.png
1218:Because of unique features --
1:
1550:general notability guidelines
568:multiple, independent sources
518:published by daily newspaper
451:holds all scanned volumes of
113:on the part of others and to
350:Recollapsing article sources
316:general notability guideline
2232:21:18, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
2212:17:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2192:15:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2171:15:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2150:15:26, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2111:14:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2095:14:19, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2077:12:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
2042:13:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
2007:15:10, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1960:I have just checked my own
1863:17:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1839:13:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1806:12:38, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1739:20:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1716:13:25, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
1695:notability is not temporary
1653:07:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
1615:08:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
1600:08:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
1589:notability is not temporary
1576:23:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1537:14:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
1516:19:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1489:20:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1447:19:14, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1342:14:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1330:Amiga productivity software
1301:13:26, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1228:09:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1131:15:43, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1088:14:49, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
1046:20:16, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
1015:20:11, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
985:12:30, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
954:10:52, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
934:02:08, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
920:22:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
901:20:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
876:17:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
819:18:12, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
798:17:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
780:15:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
763:14:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
734:15:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
719:14:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
683:05:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
664:22:02, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
648:14:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
628:14:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
608:13:52, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
580:13:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
561:10:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
332:12:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
62:22:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
2270:
1636:effectively no interaction
1473:Knowledge:Deletion process
2242:Please do not modify it.
1917:"shove them up your ass"
1748:Please do not modify it.
1463:on the "rescue list" at
747:guidelines to establish
376:Aminet (www.aminet.net)
363:Amiga User International
32:Please do not modify it.
1921:Knowledge Civility code
1281:the βgo and argue with
459:you can find issues of
155:; accounts blocked for
125:single-purpose accounts
95:policies and guidelines
587:Article about Rashumon
359:Article about Rashumon
2219:note to closing admin
2082:Note to Closing Admin
1171:. If you look at the
701:few or no other edits
516:Review about Rashumon
394:amigafuture (Germany)
2146:(tell Luke off here)
703:outside this topic.
370:Amiga Report article
1461:listed this article
107:by counting votes.
86:not a majority vote
1169:investigation page
825:investigation page
525:Author's sources:
520:Maariv_(newspaper)
442:Maariv_(newspaper)
427:- see also a scan
48:The result was
2194:
2109:
2074:
2039:
2020:
2019:
1986:
1974:Michael.haephrati
1972:comment added by
1950:
1938:Michael.haephrati
1936:comment added by
1889:
1877:Michael.haephrati
1875:comment added by
1860:
1836:
1823:
1815:
1803:
1713:
1650:
1535:
1372:
1360:Michael.haephrati
1358:comment added by
1196:
1184:Michael.haephrati
1182:comment added by
856:
844:Michael.haephrati
842:comment added by
711:Michael.haephrati
704:
656:Michael.haephrati
650:
630:
600:Michael.haephrati
596:Amazing_Computing
570:that we need. -
553:Michael.haephrati
548:
547:
453:Amazing Computing
444:daily newspaper.
438:"Amiga my friend"
188:
187:
184:
111:assume good faith
2261:
2244:
2142:
2139:
2136:
2105:
2067:
2049:Note for clarity
2032:
1997:
1995:
1985:
1966:
1949:
1930:
1888:
1869:
1853:
1829:
1821:
1813:
1796:
1762:this thread post
1750:
1729:
1706:
1643:
1595:
1572:
1569:
1566:
1563:
1560:
1557:
1531:
1371:
1352:
1260:useful to others
1225:
1195:
1176:
897:
891:
855:
836:
757:
686:
685:Washington, USA
504:Yedioth Ahronoth
346:
320:reliable sources
309:
308:
294:
246:
234:
216:
182:
170:
154:
138:
119:
89:, but instead a
80:
73:
34:
2269:
2268:
2264:
2263:
2262:
2260:
2259:
2258:
2257:
2251:deletion review
2240:
2140:
2137:
2134:
1993:
1967:
1931:
1870:
1746:
1593:
1570:
1567:
1564:
1561:
1558:
1555:
1353:
1223:
1177:
895:
889:Canterbury Tail
887:
837:
829:Yuval Goldstein
755:
549:
544:
538:
532:
523:
445:
434:
428:
421:
408:
402:
396:
390:
384:
378:
372:
366:
351:
251:
242:
207:
191:
172:
160:
144:
128:
115:sign your posts
71:
41:deletion review
30:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
2267:
2265:
2256:
2255:
2235:
2234:
2215:
2214:
2196:
2195:
2174:
2173:
2152:
2118:
2117:
2116:
2115:
2114:
2113:
2045:
2044:
2018:
2017:
2016:
2015:
2014:
2013:
1958:
1957:
1956:
1955:
1954:
1953:
1952:
1951:
1924:
1903:
1902:
1901:
1900:
1899:
1898:
1897:
1896:
1895:
1894:
1893:
1892:
1891:
1890:
1774:
1773:
1752:
1751:
1742:
1741:
1727:
1726:
1725:
1724:
1723:
1722:
1656:
1655:
1634:they have had
1626:detective-work
1618:
1617:
1602:
1578:
1542:
1541:
1540:
1539:
1504:Silas S. Brown
1499:
1498:
1494:
1493:
1492:
1491:
1477:Silas S. Brown
1454:
1453:
1435:Silas S. Brown
1427:
1426:
1412:
1411:
1398:
1397:
1384:
1383:
1376:
1375:
1374:
1373:
1345:
1344:
1322:
1321:
1320:
1319:
1304:
1303:
1289:Silas S. Brown
1239:Amiga software
1231:
1230:
1212:
1211:
1210:
1209:
1208:
1207:
1206:
1205:
1204:
1203:
1202:
1201:
1200:
1199:
1198:
1197:
1146:
1145:
1144:
1143:
1142:
1141:
1140:
1139:
1138:
1137:
1136:
1135:
1134:
1133:
1101:
1100:
1099:
1098:
1097:
1096:
1095:
1094:
1093:
1092:
1091:
1090:
1057:
1056:
1055:
1054:
1053:
1052:
1051:
1050:
1049:
1048:
1024:
1023:
1022:
1021:
1020:
1019:
1018:
1017:
992:
991:
990:
989:
988:
987:
959:
958:
957:
956:
939:
938:
937:
936:
904:
903:
879:
878:
860:
859:
858:
857:
821:
801:
800:
782:
765:
737:
736:
706:
705:
652:
651:
631:
583:
582:
546:
545:
539:
533:
527:
500:A news article
465:
435:
429:
422:
409:
403:
397:
391:
385:
379:
373:
367:
356:
353:
352:
349:
344:
343:
342:
312:
311:
248:
186:
185:
81:
70:
65:
46:
45:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
2266:
2254:
2252:
2248:
2243:
2237:
2236:
2233:
2229:
2225:
2220:
2217:
2216:
2213:
2209:
2205:
2201:
2198:
2197:
2193:
2189:
2185:
2181:
2176:
2175:
2172:
2168:
2164:
2160:
2156:
2153:
2151:
2148:
2147:
2143:
2131:
2127:
2123:
2120:
2119:
2112:
2108:
2103:
2098:
2097:
2096:
2091:
2087:
2083:
2080:
2079:
2078:
2073:
2070:
2065:
2060:
2055:
2050:
2047:
2046:
2043:
2038:
2035:
2030:
2025:
2022:
2021:
2010:
2009:
2008:
2004:
2000:
1996:
1989:
1988:
1987:
1983:
1979:
1975:
1971:
1963:
1947:
1943:
1939:
1935:
1928:
1925:
1922:
1918:
1914:
1911:
1910:
1909:
1908:
1907:
1906:
1905:
1904:
1886:
1882:
1878:
1874:
1866:
1865:
1864:
1859:
1856:
1851:
1846:
1845:
1844:
1843:
1842:
1841:
1840:
1835:
1832:
1827:
1819:
1818:
1812:
1811:
1810:
1809:
1808:
1807:
1802:
1799:
1794:
1790:
1786:
1783:
1780:
1777:
1771:
1767:
1763:
1759:
1756:
1755:
1754:
1753:
1749:
1744:
1743:
1740:
1737:
1736:
1731:
1730:
1719:
1718:
1717:
1712:
1709:
1704:
1699:
1698:
1696:
1691:
1687:
1683:
1679:
1674:
1670:
1669:WP:EMAILABUSE
1666:
1662:
1658:
1657:
1654:
1649:
1646:
1641:
1637:
1632:
1627:
1623:
1620:
1619:
1616:
1613:
1611:
1606:
1603:
1601:
1598:
1596:
1590:
1586:
1582:
1579:
1577:
1574:
1573:
1551:
1547:
1544:
1543:
1538:
1534:
1529:
1524:
1523:
1520:
1519:
1518:
1517:
1513:
1509:
1505:
1496:
1495:
1490:
1486:
1482:
1478:
1474:
1470:
1466:
1462:
1458:
1457:
1456:
1455:
1451:
1450:
1449:
1448:
1444:
1440:
1436:
1431:
1424:
1420:
1419:
1418:
1417:
1410:
1406:
1405:
1404:
1403:
1396:
1392:
1391:
1390:
1389:
1381:
1378:
1377:
1369:
1365:
1361:
1357:
1349:
1348:
1347:
1346:
1343:
1339:
1335:
1331:
1327:
1324:
1323:
1317:
1313:
1308:
1307:
1306:
1305:
1302:
1298:
1294:
1290:
1286:
1284:
1278:
1274:
1273:actually good
1271:, not what's
1270:
1265:
1261:
1257:
1252:
1248:
1244:
1240:
1236:
1233:
1232:
1229:
1226:
1221:
1217:
1214:
1213:
1193:
1189:
1185:
1181:
1174:
1170:
1165:
1162:
1161:
1160:
1159:
1158:
1157:
1156:
1155:
1154:
1153:
1152:
1151:
1150:
1149:
1148:
1147:
1132:
1128:
1124:
1120:
1115:
1114:
1113:
1112:
1111:
1110:
1109:
1108:
1107:
1106:
1105:
1104:
1103:
1102:
1089:
1085:
1081:
1076:
1072:
1069:
1068:
1067:
1066:
1065:
1064:
1063:
1062:
1061:
1060:
1059:
1058:
1047:
1043:
1039:
1034:
1033:
1032:
1031:
1030:
1029:
1028:
1027:
1026:
1025:
1016:
1012:
1008:
1004:
1000:
999:
998:
997:
996:
995:
994:
993:
986:
982:
978:
974:
970:
965:
964:
963:
962:
961:
960:
955:
951:
947:
943:
942:
941:
940:
935:
931:
927:
923:
922:
921:
917:
913:
909:
906:
905:
902:
899:
898:
892:
890:
884:
881:
880:
877:
873:
869:
865:
862:
861:
853:
849:
845:
841:
834:
830:
826:
822:
820:
816:
812:
808:
805:
804:
803:
802:
799:
795:
791:
786:
783:
781:
777:
773:
769:
766:
764:
761:
760:
758:
750:
746:
742:
739:
738:
735:
731:
727:
723:
722:
721:
720:
716:
712:
702:
698:
694:
690:
684:
680:
676:
671:
668:
667:
666:
665:
661:
657:
649:
645:
641:
637:
632:
629:
625:
621:
617:
612:
611:
610:
609:
605:
601:
597:
593:
588:
581:
577:
573:
569:
565:
564:
563:
562:
558:
554:
543:
537:
531:
526:
521:
517:
513:
509:
505:
502:published by
501:
497:
493:
489:
485:
481:
477:
473:
469:
464:
462:
458:
454:
450:
443:
439:
433:
426:
419:
418:
413:
407:
401:
395:
389:
383:
377:
371:
364:
360:
355:
354:
348:
347:
339:
336:
335:
334:
333:
329:
325:
321:
317:
307:
303:
300:
297:
293:
289:
285:
282:
279:
276:
273:
270:
267:
264:
261:
257:
254:
253:Find sources:
249:
245:
241:
238:
232:
228:
224:
220:
215:
211:
206:
202:
198:
194:
190:
189:
180:
176:
168:
164:
158:
152:
148:
142:
136:
132:
126:
122:
118:
116:
112:
106:
102:
101:
96:
92:
88:
87:
82:
79:
75:
74:
69:
66:
64:
63:
59:
55:
51:
44:
42:
38:
33:
27:
26:
19:
2241:
2238:
2218:
2199:
2154:
2145:
2121:
2102:UltraExactZZ
2088:'s attacks.
2081:
2058:
2053:
2048:
2023:
1968:β Preceding
1962:offsite post
1959:
1932:β Preceding
1926:
1916:
1871:β Preceding
1791:
1787:
1784:
1781:
1778:
1775:
1769:
1757:
1747:
1733:
1621:
1609:
1604:
1580:
1554:
1545:
1528:UltraExactZZ
1500:
1468:
1429:
1428:
1422:
1413:
1408:
1399:
1394:
1385:
1379:
1354:β Preceding
1325:
1315:
1311:
1282:
1276:
1272:
1268:
1263:
1259:
1234:
1215:
1178:β Preceding
907:
894:
888:
882:
863:
838:β Preceding
833:Photon Paint
784:
767:
752:
740:
707:
669:
653:
584:
550:
524:
446:
415:
337:
313:
301:
295:
287:
280:
274:
268:
262:
252:
239:
178:
166:
157:sockpuppetry
150:
139:; suspected
134:
120:
108:
104:
98:
90:
84:
50:no consensus
49:
47:
31:
28:
2054:technically
1459:I have now
699:) has made
592:Amiga World
461:Amiga World
417:Amiga World
278:free images
2204:Epeefleche
2130:canvassing
1686:on his own
1243:good faith
969:Polandball
749:notability
91:discussion
54:Black Kite
2247:talk page
2090:Hijiri 88
2086:Hijiri 88
2064:Hijiri 88
2029:Hijiri 88
1913:Hijiri 88
1850:Hijiri 88
1826:Hijiri 88
1793:Hijiri 88
1782:Thanks,
1703:Hijiri 88
1690:Hijiri 88
1678:Talk page
1673:Uw-canvas
1665:permitted
1640:Hijiri 88
1631:WP:CANVAS
1285:β fallacy
1269:community
1173:talk page
640:β’ Gene93k
620:β’ Gene93k
420:magazine
147:canvassed
141:canvassed
100:consensus
37:talk page
2249:or in a
2224:Gaijin42
2124:- meets
1999:Gaijin42
1982:contribs
1970:unsigned
1946:contribs
1934:unsigned
1885:contribs
1873:unsigned
1661:WP:EMAIL
1612:avarrone
1594:cyclopia
1368:contribs
1356:unsigned
1251:WordStar
1192:contribs
1180:unsigned
852:contribs
840:unsigned
811:Gaijin42
772:Gaijin42
756:itsJamie
726:Gaijin42
697:contribs
551:Updated
449:web site
237:View log
193:Rashumon
179:username
173:{{subst:
167:username
161:{{subst:
151:username
145:{{subst:
135:username
129:{{subst:
68:Rashumon
39:or in a
1682:yuvalg9
1622:Comment
1430:Comment
1421:Quote:
1407:Quote:
1393:Quote:
1380:Comment
1277:doesn't
1220:Polluks
1075:Marko75
1007:Marko75
1003:Marko75
973:Orville
946:Yuvalg9
926:MrOllie
912:Marko75
790:Yuvalg9
788:author.
689:Agovrin
675:Agovrin
572:MrOllie
406:OS News
324:MrOllie
284:WPΒ refs
272:scholar
210:protect
205:history
143:users:
2159:WP:GNG
2126:WP:GNG
2024:Delete
1735:Errant
1585:WP:GNG
1264:useful
883:Delete
864:Delete
768:delete
741:Delete
256:Google
214:delete
1770:after
1663:) is
1571:Focus
1508:email
1481:email
1439:email
1334:Val42
1328:into
1326:Merge
1293:email
1237:into
1235:Merge
1164:Val42
1080:Val42
745:WP:RS
522:1991
514:13l.
510:13k.
498:13i.
494:13h.
490:13g.
486:13f.
482:13e.
478:13d.
474:13c.
470:13b.
466:13a.
365:(UK)
299:JSTOR
260:books
244:Stats
231:views
223:watch
219:links
121:Note:
16:<
2228:talk
2208:talk
2200:Keep
2188:talk
2167:talk
2155:Keep
2135:Luke
2122:Keep
2003:talk
1978:talk
1942:talk
1881:talk
1820:MH,
1766:this
1758:Note
1605:Keep
1591:. --
1581:Keep
1546:Keep
1512:talk
1485:talk
1469:keep
1443:talk
1364:talk
1338:talk
1297:talk
1283:them
1256:GIMP
1247:NPOV
1216:Keep
1188:talk
1127:talk
1123:Tarc
1084:talk
1071:Tarc
1042:talk
1038:Tarc
1011:talk
981:talk
977:Tarc
950:talk
930:talk
916:talk
908:Keep
896:talk
872:talk
868:Tarc
848:talk
815:talk
794:talk
785:Keep
776:talk
754:OhNo
730:talk
715:talk
693:talk
679:talk
670:Keep
660:talk
644:talk
624:talk
604:talk
576:talk
557:talk
540:16.
534:15.
528:14.
457:here
455:and
436:12.
430:11.
423:10.
338:Keep
328:talk
292:FENS
266:news
227:logs
201:talk
197:edit
58:talk
2107:Did
1533:Did
971:or
414:in
410:9.
404:8.
398:7.
392:6.
386:5.
380:4.
374:3.
368:2.
361:at
357:1.
306:TWL
235:β (
175:csp
171:or
163:csm
131:spa
105:not
2230:)
2210:)
2190:)
2182:.
2169:)
2141:94
2138:no
2075:)
2072:γγ
2059:he
2040:)
2037:γγ
2005:)
1984:)
1980:β’
1948:)
1944:β’
1887:)
1883:β’
1861:)
1858:γγ
1837:)
1834:γγ
1804:)
1801:γγ
1714:)
1711:γγ
1651:)
1648:γγ
1514:)
1510:,
1487:)
1483:,
1445:)
1441:,
1414:-
1400:-
1386:-
1370:)
1366:β’
1340:)
1299:)
1295:,
1194:)
1190:β’
1129:)
1086:)
1044:)
1013:)
983:)
952:)
932:)
918:)
874:)
854:)
850:β’
817:)
796:)
778:)
751:.
732:)
717:)
695:β’
687:β
681:)
662:)
646:)
638:.
626:)
618:.
606:)
578:)
559:)
463:.
330:)
286:)
229:|
225:|
221:|
217:|
212:|
208:|
203:|
199:|
181:}}
169:}}
159::
153:}}
137:}}
127::
60:)
52:.
2226:(
2206:(
2186:(
2165:(
2104:~
2069:θ
2066:(
2034:θ
2031:(
2001:(
1976:(
1940:(
1879:(
1855:θ
1852:(
1831:θ
1828:(
1798:θ
1795:(
1708:θ
1705:(
1645:θ
1642:(
1610:C
1568:m
1565:a
1562:e
1559:r
1556:D
1530:~
1506:(
1479:(
1437:(
1362:(
1336:(
1291:(
1224:β
1186:(
1125:(
1082:(
1040:(
1009:(
979:(
948:(
928:(
914:(
870:(
846:(
813:(
792:(
774:(
728:(
713:(
691:(
677:(
658:(
642:(
622:(
602:(
574:(
555:(
326:(
310:)
302:Β·
296:Β·
288:Β·
281:Β·
275:Β·
269:Β·
263:Β·
258:(
250:(
247:)
240:Β·
233:)
195:(
183:.
177:|
165:|
149:|
133:|
56:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
