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another debate). Also, two of the Dustoff pilots were recipients of the Medal of Honor which is not mentioned in the article titled "Casualty evacuation". Those pilots are Capt. Patrick H. Brady and CW3 Michael J. Novosel who are both mentioned in the Center of Military History report. I stand by my previous suggestion. Retitle the article "Rescue of Dustoff 65" to either "Operation Dustoff" or something like "Dustoff - Medical Evacuation in the Vietnam War" and expand on the material. Once that article is started then deleting the lesser events might seem reasonable.
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Yes you are correct. There was no intention to misrepresent the book. However as far as I understand Operation Dustoff and Operation Carentan were not the same operation even if there was some overlap. My suggestion would be to change the title of "Rescue of Dustoff 65" to "Operation Dustoff" and
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which is a poor title since the lack of the word Vietnam or Dustoff in the title means the article could be about casualty evacuation from any era by any means. Regardless of the helicopter evacuation of the Vietnam War deserves its own article (and the title of such an article can be left for
476:- There never has been anything called "Operation Dustoff", so re-titling this article to that is not an option. Also we don't rescue an article up for AfD by changing the title, the subject and all the content in it to something totally new. If you think that there should be a new article on 494:
Ok sounds good. I've been on Knowledge for a week so thanks for explaining the procedure. Now I agree with you that the page should be deleted and a separate recommendation should be made for a new page which I assume would go through a similar type of discussion???
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Dustoff might not have been the name of an actual singe operation but as you mentioned it refers to "Army Aeromedical Evacuation in Vietnam" and the United States Army's Center of Military History published a 148-page report which you can access here
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one of many hundreds of Dustoff events in Vietnam, I dont see this as being particualy notable in the big scheme of things. If a new Dustoff article was created about the role of Army medivac helicopter in Vietnam it would not really feature.
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a 175-page book was written on the subject titled "Rescue under fire: the story of DUST OFF in Vietnam". According to the Amazon page listing this book for sale
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You are misrepresenting "Rescue under fire: the story of DUST OFF in Vietnam", that book is about Army helicopter medical evacuation in the Vietnam War,
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on the Vietnam War not only indicates the article should be kept but in fact, it most likely requires expansion to illustrate these facts.
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per nom. Doesn't merit its own article, and I doubt it even merits a mention in Operation Carentan.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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specifically about this event. Dustoff is significant, the Rescue of Dustoff 65 isn't.
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Don't see how this rescue of the crew of one helicopter in the Vietnam War meets
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https://history.army.mil/html/books/090/90-28-1/CMH_Pub_90-28-1.pdf
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then expand the article so it does not just focus on 1 helicopter.
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and I've merged any relevant information into that page.
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