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pass. This is a player who has played (and is still playing) in the top division of a country where football is one of the major sports, a league which is in the top 50 highest attended in the world (possibly in the top 40 now), and playing for a club ranked third the league's attendance list. No-one
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Mojopahit sempat unggul lewat Ricky Kambuaya di menit 24 sebelum Kerbau Sirah mampu membalikkan keadaan lewat ..." / "Laskar Mojopahit was ahead through Ricky Kambuaya in the 24th minute before Buffalo Sirah was able to turn things around ..." and "Jamal juga
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It remains unclear where consensus exist to keep articles when they are young and meet NFOOTY but not GNG. NSPORTS (of which NFOOTY is a part) says that all stand-alone articles need to meet the GNG (see my quote above). NSPORTS is a community guideline and represents general community consensus. You
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Saimima dan Ricky Kambuaya" / "Two PSS Sleman goals were scored by Sidik Saimima and Ricky Kambuaya." and "Umpan dari Derry Rachman disambut tendangan langsung oleh Ricky Kambuaya" / "A pass from Derry Rachman
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is 11 sentences with 2 quotes: "Kita banyak kans. Tapi memang belum bisa maksimal. Ini jadi salah satu evaluasi saat nanti pulang ke
Mojokerto. Saya yakin kedepan bisa lebih baik lagi" ("We have a lot of chances. But it can't be maximized. This is one of the evaluations when you return to Mojokerto.
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February, March and June of this year - numerous others exist if you check the archives. Even if that is the case, completely and randomly disregarding a long held "local" consensus is pretty disruptive. An individual AfD isn't the correct place to discuss
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There's no indication that
Kampiun is not a reliable source. There's no indication any of the information in the article is false - or any of their articles! The facts in their article appear elsewhere, and I haven't seen past objections to using Kampiun in other articles. You have to get into some
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The point is that SIGCOV requires us to have enough information to write an actual article, and in this case, I wasn't able to find any information that allows this to be more than just a one-sentence stub. Also, please note that even if the
Kampiun.id were SIGCOV, they were not RS per the concerns
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is an interview with the player about a particular game, with 11 sentences plus three quotes from the player, like "Pertandingan kemarin itu berjalan sangat seru sekali" ("The match yesterday was very exciting") and "Iya tentunya sangat motivasi sekali untuk pembuktian kepada keluarga saya yang ada
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I get that you disagree with me on the issue, but I don't get why you're frustrated that there is someone on the internet with a different opinion. My motive is to reduce the number of non-notable footballer BLPs. I think it's a positive motive, but if you want to look at it as a negative motive,
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Even if the
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On one hand you are correct. On the other hand the argument being made that none of the sources for this article can be counted as GNG because they are too short, is completely erroneous and has no basis in policy. I was just astounded to see the contrast from the same editor at the same time!
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does require the coverage to discuss the subject in detail, which these short articles do not. Also, even if the
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is a 6-sentence transfer report with one quote from the player ("Semoga saya bisa memberikan permainan yang terbaik dan membantu PSS Sleman memenuhi target yang diinginkan manajer tim" / "Hopefully I can give the best game and help Sleman PSS meet the target desired by the team
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I wasn't able to find an editorial policy. Also, there is no "about us" page (only a couple sentences at the bottom of every page), so it is unclear who owns and creates articles. Because of this, it is impossible to ensure that there is at all editorial oversight. Thanks,
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di seluruh Papua dan khususnya orang tua saya yang ada di Kota Sorong" ("Yes, of course, it is very motivating to prove to my family throughout Papua and especially my parents who are in Sorong City"). It is not in-depth and gives us almost no information about the player.
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met GNG, despite being 200 to 300 word 10-14 sentence articles. They are as detailed than the
Indonesian sources you reject here. Don't point to other sources ... I'm asking about these. Why are those two English sources good, when the Indonesian ones aren't?
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I am sure that in the future it will be better") and "Kami masih yakin bisa naik. Tinggal sekarang berusaha, kerja keras untuk memenangkan setiap pertandingan" ("We are still confident we can go up. It is only now trying, working hard to win every match").
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I see no reason to believe kampiun.id is an unreliable source. Furthermore, there's tons of mentions of him which is what you would expect for someone with 99 career top division games, including other articles on him specifically
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violation - disrupting Knowledge (XXG) to make a point? Changes to policy should be discussed in appropriate forums. I've seen others propose topic bans for repeated violation of this behavioural guideline in the past.
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This is Knowledge (XXG). Disagreement is as common as anything and I'm cool with that, when those involved are helpful. You get hate for your AfD nominations, other editors who nominate don't. Think about it.
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It's a shame you pick and choose which consensus you follow, Levivich. You wonder why fellow editors get frustrated with you, despite your (possibly positive, yet most likely negative) motives.
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Nice sarcasm. He's starting for a team that's only eight games into their season, which averages 20,000 a game, and is well covered in match reports, even if they're not on him specifically.
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I did say "for your", rather than "on your". Anyway, this isn't a suitable place to discuss these things (it's an AfD after all). I've opened a discussion with you via your talk page.
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It took me about three minutes to add prose to the article, even with Google translate. You're trying to disqualify a large swath of Indonesian press coverage for being unreliable.
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Yes, certainly still meeets GNG - and ATH. I'm perplexed why this is an issue. I dare say one wouldn't try and AFD a regular player in the top league in the UK or North America!
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Exactly, and that is why it is disruptive to disregard the text of NSPORTS, which was created based on consensus, and which says that stand alone articles should meet the GNG. --
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menyatakan, ia tidak mengetahui pasti pelanggaran yang dilakukan Ricky Kambuaya" / "Jamal also stated, he did not know for sure the violations committed by Ricky Kambuaya")
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very precise and rigid definitions of the rules here to eliminate so many references - and precise and rigid rules aren't how things work here. We are close enough -
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I didn't check, because I got a "This site is not safe" warning when opening the link. At this moment, the 1st and 3rd source are also used in the article itself. --
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would consider nominating a footballer playing in an equivalent league in Europe, so deletion of this article would seems to be a case of systematic bias.
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At this point, this "significant coverage" has lead to a one-sentence stub. Ig being able to write such a stub is enough for something to be SIGCOV, then
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This test is clearly met in many of these articles (and there's more out there). In terms of number of sources, there's no fixed guideline, but GNG says
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one should support these guidelines. Everyone's time would be better spent improving the article - I'm adding some sources to the article.
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is met, why you persist in wasting everyone's time with a nomination that should never have happened given the player met
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for a more targeted Google web search would have avoided this
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