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536:: “Is Richard Elfman actually Danny Elfman?” That can be confusing. Like the time a few years back I was getting drunk at some swank Hollywood club as the pretty barmaid--an Oingo Boingo fan--kept filling my ($ 11@) glass and refusing to let me pay for it. Under the noise and din of the music, I finally realized that the young lady had me confused for my younger brother Danny. I started to reach for my wallet, explain things and pay up, but decided not too, as I seemed to be getting confused on the issue myself… and I promise to never enter stuff like this on my article page in the future, even if it can be referenced! 553:'s older brother. On the negative side, he does have a problem with his own vanity, which has affected the article as he has participated in it. I noted a website in External links questioning the fact that he claims to be younger than his younger brother. Not included is his Myspace page that comes up in a google search making that same claim. He certainly pales in the shadow of his brother's accomplishments from exactly the same notable starting point. He has obviously made some different career choices, but that is not cause to delete him. 725:
Knowledge and value what it offers. Mea culpa and sorry for any fuss I have created. One last note: that birth date stuff about me being younger than Danny was put out by a long former publicist—she even created my MySpace page--which I had forgotten about until reading this page, and just ordered the MF page taken down—thank you. Please keep up your good work!
359:. In other words, without Richard Elfman, there would have been no Danny Elfman as we know him. There quite possibly would have been no Pee Wee Herman either as Paul Reubens is a fan of Forbidden Zone. As was pointed out above, Mr. Elfman's quite colorful contributions to his own page are a different issue. -- 698: 758:
We, the Knowledge community, create rules upon rules upon rules then expect "newbies" to follow the rules without giving enough benefit of doubt. I've always found it frustrating. I see no real reason for this AfD. As the article needs improving, attention could have been brought to it in a less
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Mr. Elfman, it is common to be slapped around by editors your first time editing here. Though many people feel anyone can do anything to Knowledge, and that is true, vandalism and non encyclopedic content will be removed, eventually. Contrary to many articles that have no notability to recommened
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I have apparently used my article page as a promotional platform with an obvious conflict of interest and lack of neutrality. Unfortunately, I must claim utter ignorance of the editing rules and guideline of Knowledge, of which I have now started to read for the first time. I very much respect
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I think I've answered my own question above ^^^ and although he is not Danny Elfman, he did apparently found the band Oingo Boingo, which in itself is quite notable. His work in movies is also notable, though somewhat less notable than founding the band. If there are problems with the subject's
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I didn't know Danny had an older brother, or that he was instrumental in forming Oingo Boingo, so I found the article interesting and informative. I admit I came into this after the AfD nom and have not looked at Mr. Elfman's apparently colorful edits to his own article.
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Is "Richard" Elfman actually Danny Elfman? If so, there is no question about notability. He did the soundtracks for many Tim Burton movies and has already been pointed out, was the founding member of Oingo Boingo, a band with several hit songs in the 1980's.
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per Mr. Vernon. What notability is there is by association only, and even then it's extremely weak. It's also extremely clear, given the article history, that this is being used as a platform for self promotion (see
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Clearly promotional. I went and deleted the unsourced content, as well as information about his relatives and companies (since the article is supposed to be about him), and there's not much about
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them, we are well beyond that with you and your contributions to pop culture. I will thank you on behalf of all the editors here at Wiki and am glad to say it looks like we will keep it.
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I should add, just do the news search and you'll find a ton of sites discussing Richard Elfman and Forbidden Zone if you need any proof of the large cult following. --
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I added and sourced more information. Oingo Boingo alone should make him notable, plus he's got more of a career of cult films, a few of them notable.
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Promotional article about an apparently non-notable subject, who has notable relatives. May be part of a walled garden, see also
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Agree with Mr. Vernon. Elfman has certainly done many things, but it's not clear which, if any, are actually notable
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contributions, the article can be re-edited and he could be banned, if necessary, but I hope that wont be necessary.
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The issue of the article being used for self-promotion is separate from notability. If a more notable person, say
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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The first link you provide is a 404 not found, and neither would considered
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aggressive and more constructive manner prior to threatening deletion. --
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to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Richard was also the founder of the hugely influential music group
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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notable as the founder of Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo
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And oh... I forgot to mention I believe he may even meet
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page. While none of his films were exactly blockbusters,
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has a cult following, and even a live theater homage.
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Mentions in cinema guides etc. -- 65: 611:Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo 24: 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 803: 397:, and also as director of 421:20:04, 28 June 2010 (UTC) 383:04:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC) 369:04:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC) 340:04:31, 28 June 2010 (UTC) 323:20:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC) 301:18:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC) 270:12:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC) 250:19:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC) 214:14:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC) 53:05:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC) 779:Please do not modify it. 769:06:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC) 750:02:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC) 715:16:58, 6 July 2010 (UTC) 699:review of Forbidden Zone 683:01:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC) 666:15:54, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 649:02:09, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 601:01:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 578:03:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC) 563:01:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC) 524:01:40, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 504:16:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 486:01:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 447:01:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC) 32:Please do not modify it. 695:Interview on quietearth 761:Stacey Doljack Borsody 496:Stacey Doljack Borsody 403:. 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