536:: “Is Richard Elfman actually Danny Elfman?” That can be confusing. Like the time a few years back I was getting drunk at some swank Hollywood club as the pretty barmaid--an Oingo Boingo fan--kept filling my ($ 11@) glass and refusing to let me pay for it. Under the noise and din of the music, I finally realized that the young lady had me confused for my younger brother Danny. I started to reach for my wallet, explain things and pay up, but decided not too, as I seemed to be getting confused on the issue myself… and I promise to never enter stuff like this on my article page in the future, even if it can be referenced!
553:'s older brother. On the negative side, he does have a problem with his own vanity, which has affected the article as he has participated in it. I noted a website in External links questioning the fact that he claims to be younger than his younger brother. Not included is his Myspace page that comes up in a google search making that same claim. He certainly pales in the shadow of his brother's accomplishments from exactly the same notable starting point. He has obviously made some different career choices, but that is not cause to delete him.
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Knowledge and value what it offers. Mea culpa and sorry for any fuss I have created. One last note: that birth date stuff about me being younger than Danny was put out by a long former publicist—she even created my MySpace page--which I had forgotten about until reading this page, and just ordered the MF page taken down—thank you. Please keep up your good work!
359:. In other words, without Richard Elfman, there would have been no Danny Elfman as we know him. There quite possibly would have been no Pee Wee Herman either as Paul Reubens is a fan of Forbidden Zone. As was pointed out above, Mr. Elfman's quite colorful contributions to his own page are a different issue. --
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I think I've answered my own question above ^^^ and although he is not Danny Elfman, he did apparently found the band Oingo Boingo, which in itself is quite notable. His work in movies is also notable, though somewhat less notable than founding the band. If there are problems with the subject's
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