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repeated all day on the set of the indie drama Cole. On this unseasonably cold day, the community of 350 is a one-joke town. Director Carl Bessai, doubling as his own cameraman, is seated on a dolly rig mounted on rails, for a smooth tracking shot as de Klerk's Cole comes out of a ramshackle house to meet his big-city girlfriend Serafina (Kandyse McClure), pulling up in a Mercedes sedan. McClure, in a sleeveless cotton sundress, admits during a break that she's got the car's heat cranked. The Vancouver-based cast and crew are here for two weeks of filming, after a week spent filming scenes in Vancouver. Written by Adam Zang, a Seattle-based graduate of the Vancouver Film School, Cole is the archetypal story of a young man looking to escape his small-town roots. Bessai and his cast met regularly before filming started, working the script to get specific details into those archetypes, including making Lytton and its surroundings a specific setting for the movie. It's the kind of project the well-schooled Vancouver acting pool can do for little money in between the big-ticket jobs. "It's the lowest budget film I've ever worked on," says Chad Willett, who divides his time between Vancouver, New York and Los Angeles after getting his start more than a decade ago on the teen drama Madison. De Klerk, too, is busy in Vancouver and L.A.-filmed episodic TV, McClure has spent the past four seasons as part of the ensemble on Battlestar Galactica and Sonja Bennett, as Cole's sister and the wife to Willett's character, has logged a series of indie-darling roles in Vancouver and Toronto. Willett signed on as an abusive husband, seeing a challenge to bring some layers to the character. "He can be the easy-to-target bad guy," says director Bessai of Willett's character. "We worked with the actors to get the details right." Willett takes off his baseball hat and shows a detail he came up with -- the classic small-town mullet. "People in Vancouver were looking at me funny, but I fit in here." De Klerk, in his first feature-film starring role, did some pre-filming homework as well, taking a road trip through the surrounding countryside with co-star Michael Eisner, who plays Cole's best friend. They motored a further 60 kilometres up the road to Lillooet before turning back. "You just get a full sense of how isolated the place is," says de Klerk. During filming a fight scene with Willett, de Klerk took a tumble that required a couple of stitches to the inside of his lip. He took it as a good sign that the doctor who stitched him up was also named de Klerk. Later, when the stitches split again, he had to wait several hours for the doctor to come back from Cache Creek. Another method touch for the cast -- Lytton has no cellphone service. When shooting wraps in the evening, cast and crew meet for beers in the motel parking lot or in their makeshift office at the town's parish hall. Willett barbecued burgers for cast and crew one night at his lodgings, and spent weekends camping and fishing to stay in character. Singer-actor Rebecca Jenkins, who plays Cole's mother, invited her law-professor husband Joel Bakan up for a break. "We spent the weekend riding horses, just being cowboys," says Bakan. For Jenkins, the shoot brings back memories of filming the 1989 period hit Bye Bye Blues in rural Alberta. "You're happily stuck out somewhere in jaw-dropping beauty," Jenkins says. "It's so freeing. We all cycle around -- most people brought their bikes up." Bessai's small, nimble crew is barely noticeable in the town, which wasn't the case with the last movie to shoot here. Cole's only artificial touch, oddly enough, is that ramshackle house and gas station on the outskirts. Turns out it's a leftover set built for the 2001 Sean Penn-Jack Nicholson movie The Pledge. The weathered look is painted on. "All three of the motels will tell you that Jack Nicholson stayed there," says Bennett.
681:, I am not sure which comments you are referring to, but there is actually disagreement on how GNG and SNG work together. I am not advocating for any particular approach, but because of the good case for NACTOR and the fact that the subject's roles can, at the very least, be verified in reliable sources, I don't think deletion is necessarily required. For your benefit, however, I explained that I would support a draftify instead of a delete—in other words, if the consensus is against me (as it seems to be), I would suggest that we consider draftifying the article as opposed to deleting it outright. I apologise if I was not clear on that. 405:: He's an actor who has been in a number of films and been paid to do so (presumably) so I don't see a lack of notability. Just because few people _here_ (ie wp.en) have heard of him doesn't make him ignorable especially as until he dies or retires he will continue to make more films, so having an article to link to is right and proper. WP doesn't have storage limitations. -- 482:
being paid to be in multiple films is not the criteria for notability. We need significant roles, the being paid to be in multiple films applies to extras. Having named roles does not make someone default notable. We need sourcing that is reliable and shows more than existence, neither of which IMDb
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There's still snow on the tips of the high mountains that loom over this little town. "It's Canada's hot spot," says actor Richard de Klerk, lightly dressed in T-shirt and jeans, his back hunched against the blustery wind that cuts through the Thompson-Nicola region. Variations of that line are
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Update: For clarity's sake, I am voting "weak keep" based on a strong NACTOR argument and a weak GNG argument; I have not yet found SIGCOV. If the consensus is to delete, however, I suggest "draftifying" the article to allow others the chance to find sufficient sources.
988:: "Mike, played menacingly well by Richard de Klerk". The actor starred in several Canadian films, so he may be notable, and could probably be described as "Canadian indie film star". Besides, he has a starring role in an upcoming film. 1006:. There are also other articles with paragraphs concerning actor's other roles, mentions or descriptions of several of his other film works. So, there is significant coverage of actor in various newspapers and on websites. 217: 279: 823:. I was unable to find the Knowledge page for the film. Are we able to access the references in that page? They may provide coverage of the subject, especially since he was the lead actor. 538:, a cursory search shows plenty of mentions in reputable sources, so I am now going to search for more in-depth coverage and may revise my vote depending on what I do or do not find. 211: 383: 1086:
source; it makes the case for GNG considerably stronger. I hope the editors who have voted to delete will peruse the sources that have been uncovered later in the AfD.
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article below, I am now upgrading my vote to "Keep or Draftify", as significant coverage is now emerging. I still suggest "draftifying" if the consensus is to delete.
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per nom. Being a working actor is not a sufficient reason for inclusion (that's IMDb's job). He's getting there, but right now it's
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Here is an article entirely on actor. There is a list of Leo nominees that includes actor's nomination for
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review for a film in which the subject plays the lead. The link, however, is broken, so I am applying to
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for finding new references. There is now no justification whatsoever for this article to be deleted.
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Not much of an article, and not likely to become one. IMDB isn't reliable for good information.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Unfortunately, the review isn't as helpful as I'd hoped it would be:
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https://variety.com/2009/film/markets-festivals/cole-2-1200476113/
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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changes their bolded! vote to reflect their change of opinion.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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is. It is high time we actually applies GNG rules to actors.
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article about his father being accused of scamming a couple
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list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions
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can now certainly be made. I invite the other editors—
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