385:
the usage of reliable sources, and this article has sourcing that is flawed: there's really only one possibly good secondary source, and that's esports-news.co.uk. Dbltap is of unknown provenance and ownership, and a page from Razer's own website, which is not up-to-date (for the record), does not do much to inspire confidence in the sourcing. There are trivial, passing mentions, as well, and a good deal of the sources seem to be about roster changes. And the independence of most of the sources cannot be determined or verified, given the lack of bylines or author credits. In short, all things from WP:GNG point toward the presumption of notability not being satisfied in this case.
310:(it also provides a whole top-menu item for a specific team, thus appears to lack independence from the general subject if not the Rise Nation subject in particular); brief news coverage in what appears to be a legit secondary source (esports-news.co.uk); mention with nothing but the name at a similar source (dexerto.com); brief news coverage in a similar source (twingalaxies.com). We really don't need articles with RS coverage this thin.
306:, to explain to enthusiastic new editors who just want to write about other gamers that we have inclusion standards, and sourcing standards, and that they closely relate. What I see here for sourcing is, in the order it appears: trivial mention at a non-independent site (razer.com, which appears to be a sponsor of this team); a secondary, in-depth source (DblTap.com) but one which is explicitly fan-written and thus may be
384:
is thus our controlling precedent. The general notability guideline is as follows: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." Naturally, significant coverage is predicated on
317:
reliable sources (not just specialist sources the reputability of which have yet to be established), doesn't mean every player or team is notable just because they're mentioned and briefly covered in the gamer press. By way of direct comparison, there are many notable forms of competitive dance, and
312:
The fact that the underlying subject (e-sports or eSports or esports, however you like to spell it) is notable and that occasionally some participants in it rise to actual encyclopedic notability by appearing in
206:
265:
342:
championships (hint: we don't have articles about them). Maybe 20 years from now e-sports and teams in it will be like major international "traditional" sports and teams, but
159:
282:
200:
318:
handful of notable duos within that sphere, but the the vast majority of such duos are not notable despite some coverage in dance magazines/sites. Similarly, the
91:
106:
238:
Non notable at present. Just a listing at twin galaxies does not make anyone inherently notable, unless of course the listing is about a record etc.
322:
was a big deal back when, but most demo teams are not notable. It's too soon for
Knowledge (XXG) to do something like treat all e-sports teams like
166:
86:
79:
17:
358:
396:
339:
132:
127:
136:
100:
96:
330:
teams; on the scale of global importance, these activities and the people involved in them are much closer to the level of
303:
221:
188:
119:
418:
40:
331:
182:
414:
355:
253:
178:
36:
401:
363:
291:
274:
257:
61:
123:
392:
377:
376:
on this one; the need for a WP:NESPORTS is becoming increasingly apparent; our standards regarding
286:
269:
228:
214:
115:
67:
243:
75:
29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
413:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
373:
350:
249:
381:
343:
307:
388:
194:
57:
239:
153:
380:
do not, of course, extend to teams (which is a necessary flaw). So, of course,
319:
53:
335:
323:
409:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
327:
149:
145:
141:
213:
227:
266:list of Organizations-related deletion discussions
248:Striking confirmed, blocked sockpuppet nominator
43:). No further edits should be made to this page.
421:). No further edits should be made to this page.
281:Note: This discussion has been included in the
264:Note: This discussion has been included in the
8:
107:Help, my article got nominated for deletion!
283:list of Sports-related deletion discussions
280:
263:
18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
7:
24:
92:Introduction to deletion process
340:World Pool-Billiard Association
1:
348:
346:, and it hasn't happened yet.
338:players who make it into the
82:(AfD)? Read these primers!
438:
332:Little League World Series
246:) 06:18, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
344:we have no way of knowing
411:Please do not modify it.
402:05:37, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
364:17:04, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
304:WP:Notability (e-sports)
292:08:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
275:08:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
258:16:06, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
62:21:16, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
32:Please do not modify it.
80:Articles for deletion
302:. We really need a
294:
277:
97:Guide to deletion
87:How to contribute
429:
400:
362:
289:
272:
232:
231:
217:
169:
157:
139:
77:
34:
437:
436:
432:
431:
430:
428:
427:
426:
425:
419:deletion review
386:
287:
270:
174:
165:
130:
114:
111:
74:
71:
48:The result was
41:deletion review
30:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
435:
433:
424:
423:
405:
404:
367:
347:
316:
296:
295:
278:
235:
234:
171:
110:
109:
104:
94:
89:
72:
70:
65:
46:
45:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
434:
422:
420:
416:
412:
407:
406:
403:
398:
394:
390:
383:
379:
375:
371:
368:
366:
365:
360:
357:
354:
353:
345:
341:
337:
333:
329:
325:
321:
314:
309:
305:
301:
298:
297:
293:
290:
284:
279:
276:
273:
267:
262:
261:
260:
259:
255:
251:
247:
245:
241:
230:
226:
223:
220:
216:
212:
208:
205:
202:
199:
196:
193:
190:
187:
184:
180:
177:
176:Find sources:
172:
168:
164:
161:
155:
151:
147:
143:
138:
134:
129:
125:
121:
117:
113:
112:
108:
105:
102:
98:
95:
93:
90:
88:
85:
84:
83:
81:
76:
69:
66:
64:
63:
59:
55:
51:
44:
42:
38:
33:
27:
26:
19:
410:
408:
369:
351:
311:
299:
237:
236:
224:
218:
210:
203:
197:
191:
185:
175:
162:
73:
49:
47:
31:
28:
374:SMcCandlish
372:: I'm with
352:SMcCandlish
250:Atlantic306
201:free images
116:Rise Nation
68:Rise Nation
389:Javert2113
378:WP:NSPORTS
334:teams, or
315:mainstream
415:talk page
320:demoscene
37:talk page
417:or in a
288:MT Train
271:MT Train
160:View log
101:glossary
39:or in a
393:Siarad.
240:2Joules
207:WP refs
195:scholar
133:protect
128:history
78:New to
382:WP:GNG
370:Delete
336:pro-am
308:WP:UGC
300:Delete
179:Google
137:delete
50:delete
222:JSTOR
183:books
167:Stats
154:views
146:watch
142:links
16:<
324:FIFA
254:talk
244:talk
215:FENS
189:news
150:logs
124:talk
120:edit
58:talk
361:😼
328:NFL
326:or
229:TWL
158:– (
54:Mz7
349:—
285:.
268:.
256:)
209:)
152:|
148:|
144:|
140:|
135:|
131:|
126:|
122:|
60:)
52:.
399:)
397:¤
395:|
391:(
387:—
359:¢
356:☏
252:(
242:(
233:)
225:·
219:·
211:·
204:·
198:·
192:·
186:·
181:(
173:(
170:)
163:·
156:)
118:(
103:)
99:(
56:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.