594:(maybe i contributed to that). Trails take decades to develop and continue to develop more over time, it is fair to expect deep coverage about government decisions to set aside trailspace and fund development over the years, etc. I am betting you and I don't know how to search properly to find the internet coverage about it in German. Sure this can be tagged for better development, and I don't understand the relationship between it and the
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in its arrangement, which isn't even covered in the article. It appears to be one of a number of convenient walking tours that a committee designed to make it easy to see a number of the notable sights around the harbor. I can't imagine why that would have received any external coverage.
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