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During the day they are inhabited by thousands. It's true that people don't sleep there at night, but "people sleeping there" is actually one of the least important and interesting things about a town. And at these malls occur do most of the other, interesting and important, activities that people do in towns -- shop, work, flirt, eat, hang out, etc.
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Newcastle CBD when it was opened as Kotara Fair in 1965 with 27 stores, and drove a lot of development in the area, and still does. This is not explained in the article because 50-year-old sources are hard to come by.
724:. Bizarre nomination as each shopping mall article is notable because of independent coverage, not because they are associated with the Westfield Brand. Individual articles that do not appear to meet the notability requirements can be nominated individually. This batch nomination makes no sense at all.
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as nom. It's not 1917 anymore, so a lot of the life of the people is tied in with malls, for good or ill, rather than their town centers anymore. The economic life especially, but also the personal and cultural life. They are equivalent to towns (and we keep articles for even the smallest towns).
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I don't think a batch nomination is appropriate here. These shopping centres need to be nominated individually if it's felt they should be deleted, as they all essentially have different levels of, and reasons for, notability. The number of stores and area is really irrelevant to notability. A
568:(Granted though that a number of the articles aren't as good or as well ref'd and don't meet GNG which is not to necessarily say the couldn't, although I don't know; but at any rate all are ref'd to non-GNG-eligible sources (e.g. the company itself) sufficient to make a decent short article.)
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504:(the smallest mall on this list) was kept in 2006. So if some are being redirected and some kept according to who's paying attention at the moment, which seems possible, all the more reason to sort this out and get this put to bed once and for here.)
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itself... which is many thousands of articles, and I don't think we want do that (others may disagree). But if you don't want to delete all, where do you draw the line? 60,000 m²? 80,000 m²? 100,000 m² or higher (as the fate of
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