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During the day they are inhabited by thousands. It's true that people don't sleep there at night, but "people sleeping there" is actually one of the least important and interesting things about a town. And at these malls occur do most of the other, interesting and important, activities that people do in towns -- shop, work, flirt, eat, hang out, etc.
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shopping centre could have one store and still be notable. Westfield Kotara, for example, was the first shopping centre outside the Newcastle CBD when it was opened as Kotara Fair in 1965 with 27 stores, and drove a lot of development in the area, and still does. This is not explained in the article because 50-year-old sources are hard to come by.
724:. Bizarre nomination as each shopping mall article is notable because of independent coverage, not because they are associated with the Westfield Brand. Individual articles that do not appear to meet the notability requirements can be nominated individually. This batch nomination makes no sense at all. 50:
Procedural close as keep. This AfD was out of process given that the nominator did not provide grounds for deleting the articles, and actually advocated keeping them all. The number of articles listed was also excessive: it would be difficult for editors to individually assess the notability of each
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as nom. It's not 1917 anymore, so a lot of the life of the people is tied in with malls, for good or ill, rather than their town centers anymore. The economic life especially, but also the personal and cultural life. They are equivalent to towns (and we keep articles for even the smallest towns).
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I don't think a batch nomination is appropriate here. These shopping centres need to be nominated individually if it's felt they should be deleted, as they all essentially have different levels of, and reasons for, notability. The number of stores and area is really irrelevant to notability. A
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So rather than picking at these one by one at random let's see if we can come up with some kind of rational decision on the class as a whole -- delete/merge/redirect 'em all, keep 'em all, or delete some and keep others (but by some non-random criteria).
504:(the smallest mall on this list) was kept in 2006. So if some are being redirected and some kept according to who's paying attention at the moment, which seems possible, all the more reason to sort this out and get this put to bed once and for here.) 585:
itself... which is many thousands of articles, and I don't think we want do that (others may disagree). But if you don't want to delete all, where do you draw the line? 60,000 m²? 80,000 m²? 100,000 m² or higher (as the fate of
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shopping centre as part of this nomination, or for a closing admin to figure out what the consensus for each centre is. Discussions concerning the notability of these shopping centres can be conducted without going to AfD.
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I have one comment. I did a uni project about a Westfield shopping centre in 2013 and was able to find a reasonable amount of historical sources including an official 188 page history published in 2010. Regards
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Totally inappropriate batch nomination: the only thing these have in common is that they're owned by the same company, which has absolutely nothing to do with their notability (and Westfield tend to buy
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seems to imply)? 20 years of existence? 5 large anchor stores? Currently ref'd to meet GNG? 3,000-byte+ article? Drawing some line like that is defensible I suppose, but seems quite arbitrary.
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This is an advisory batch nomination. I personally don't think any of these should be deleted, but I think I'm in the minority, based on the results at
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really shouldn't be included, as it's already under discussion at another AfD. That said, I am convinced by Herostratus' reasoning for a keep vote. --
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for half a century and has a 375-seat restaurant (called a "food court"). The article has ten refs and IMO probably meets
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is the second largest mall in Australia, so "delete/redirect/merge all" would essentially imply largely clearing out
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Another reason to keep all is that "delete all" (or "redirect all" or "merge all") doesn't seem in the cards: (
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Westfield Mount Druitt at 60,088 m², 240 stores would fit here
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Westfield Penrith, at 91,701 m², 338 stores would fit here
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