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A MATTER OF FAITH EXCLUSION OF MORMONS FROM EVENT ILL-CONCEIVED; Arizona
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is not a primary source. Published works that are not created by the subject are never primary sources. Weather they meet the 3rd party reliable secondary source requriements is debatable, but they are not primary sources. Way more than enough sources have been identified
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Yeah, but the point is that sources exist to establish notability, even though the article was woefully sourced when you found it. Maybe we need some edit-a-thons in the mountain states, and in "red" territory (like church multipurpose rooms), not just in "blue"
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Perhaps you could post some of the article titles you found in ProQuest, then I and others could have a means of searching for them by title and publisher to assess them. Links would be fine too, although they won't work for non-ProQuest users.
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in in independent WP:RS to support notability. Such coverage does exist. To me, this looks like our familiar type: an article about a notable person that needs an editor with the time and interest to properly expand and source
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Faith groups backing Prop. 102; Pitzl, Mary Jo. Arizona
Republic; Phoenix, Ariz. 03 Oct 2008: B.1. "Wilford Andersen, a former church spokesman, contributed $ 100,000 along with his wife. He did not return a phone call seeking
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CITY COMMITTEE TAKING YEAR TO LOOK 25 YEARS DOWN ROAD, Beard, Betty.
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