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articles, while at the same time trolling those editors to make their job difficult and discourage them with distractions. Apparently it takes no time to resurrect hundreds of Navy Cross/Silver Star/Ship name honorees for deletion. It takes a lot of time to respond and improve all of these articles. This is in fact a second nomination (among many). And given the fact that there is no good faith compliance with
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All that said, while there is a bio here, everything that isn't the incident inspiring the medal award is unsourced, and frankly, it's pretty mundane. There were nearly 400 destroyers built in the
Fletcher/Sumner/Gearing classes, so having a ship named after him in those classes isn't that exclusive
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article when it has nothing whatsoever to do with Ault. If nothing else that makes nearly all the "merge" recommendations non-contributory to a consensus. Second, inclusion in a group nomination that was procedurally closed as unmanageable really doesn't bear on this nomination; it would have been
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The article comes from one of a couple of blog-like features, all posted by a single person. It's a fairly random walk through various historical vignettes, ranging from well-known persons and major battles to "Sailor of the Day" sort of material. I'm just not seeing how "whatever catches the
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This is relevant, and it should be fixed. It is a fact. It is always put into the history. I've never seen this, and it is a direct result of the misbegotten attempt to purge a couple of hundred articles. And all at once, overwheling the limited number of editors who actively try to save
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directly, which seems unlikely. At this point I'm not going to offer a definite opinion, but so far I'm not seeing anything that wouldn't support redirecting to the USS Ault article and ensuring that the latter described, in brief, the action which led to the Navy Cross award.
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