48:. An interesting discussion, with a few different points of intersection. First, the keeps have the better of it from a notability standpoint. The original nomination specifically addressed sourcing, and invoked the GNG; this was adequately rebutted, and a number of the comments acknowledged explicitly or tacitly the nontrivial coverage. Thus, the administrative action here is to close the discussion as keep. However, I see a strong consensus that the article should be renamed or merged somewhere, and given the degree of participation here I am prepared to call this a local consensus to the effect that, while notable, the topic is best addressed within another article. This well within editorial discretion, however, I do not see agreement as to a merge target. So, I am making an simple editorial decision (which anyone should feel free to revert) to move the article to
284:. This is a non-notable use of the term in mathematics, basically the effort of a single educator that, for some reason, has been picked up by a few mainstream media outlets. In the extremely unlikely event that thus notion produces a lasting scientific impact as evidenced by its use in peer reviewed scholarly sources, the article can always be spun out afresh. There are, at any rate, much more established uses of the symbol tau in mathematics (in the theory of elliptic curves, for instance) that the present article's focus is assigning grossly inappropriate weight to a thoroughly marginal usage.
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discarded: for example, new TV celebs get in here rather quickly. So many less-useful and less-long-lasting entries arrive in
Knowledge (often celeb bio details); this appears to have much longer-lasting potential influence. I suspect that if you're worried about numbers interested in this, if left for six or twelve months you'll find the diffusion S-curve steepens and numbers multiply exponentially. I advise caution, and waiting. Already academics as far from California as Leeds, are making youtube vids about it, (eg
343:. I agree with Sławek that the current title is bad because too many things in mathematics are called τ and this one is probably not in the top fifty. Just the same, the proposal to work with 2π instead of π has received enough coverage that it may be "notable" in our WP-specific sense of the word. It's kind of marginal, and I wouldn't like to see an article that pulls together independent proposals and makes a commonality out of them, unless some secondary source has already done so. --
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being the logic of the idea and its social implications. This isn't actually strict mathematics, but rather a thoughtful socio-historical campaign about how we view established terms and constructs. A Mathermatical (Michel) Foucault, with a
Californian levity, as it were. Ignore the style, there is substance here, and it's beyond mere mathematical description. - Secondly, therefore merging to
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would suffice. - Thirdly, I'm fairly sure the others above have lists of a large swathe of media and academic followers who find this idea more than mere whimsy. There is enough interest in it that it stay, and as more than a flash in the pan: think of your grandad who still likes to use inches and
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strongly with a possible rename as suggested above for disambiguation. Apologies for my formatting ineptness. I'm lookig for instructions/norms so I get it right and can edit better later. - Firstly this is not a silly idea. Please don't confuse the style of Hartl's rhetoric with the message itself,
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and Tau, but we should cover this issue, under at least one of those name, with a redirect from the other. Mathematicians who think it's a nonsense are simply irrelevant - the point is that the campaign exists and is notable, not whether it's right or wrong. As a physicist more than a mathematician,
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for lack of notability. If you were to hand me a τ and ask what mathematical symbol I thought it represented, I would probably guess time. I might guess the period length of a periodic function or maybe (as Sławomir Biały pointed out above) a point in the complex plane defining an elliptic curve.
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Merge means merge, in other words take the useful material in the article and copy it to the other article. There is already a section ("Mathematical constant") that talks about tau being used as a unit. I think the redirect makes sense; don't assume someone reading about tau as a unit will know it
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Terrible idea, because it would confuse a page about how we currently perceive the maths of circle geometry, turns, with he ideas about how we may wish to challenge those terms. And thiis page is not in maths territory, but more in (Thomas) Kuhn and social criticism territory. And no less
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Agree with Teapot for a different reason. Tau's page is not the same as the Turn article, because the reason for reading each page is different. One is to explain how turns in a circle work, the other is to explain how a naming convention is mathematical bad practice (occam) and aesthetically
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was likely to be deleted too. I sort of feel that the two articles together are just about notable and that they are closely connected. So I guess I'd like to merge them under a "Michael Hartl" title, taking care, as others have pointed out, to delete any unreasonable redirects.
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I'm quite sure I've heard about a movement to change from pi to 2pi as the fundamental constant before this year. I've seen both tau and another symbol used for this constant, where the other was a three-legged pi. (That might suggest a different page name, but not deletion.)
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been deleted. The merge !votes agree that the subject isn't worthy of an article, whilst suggesting a merge to an article which, via independent AfD, has been judged not to be worthy of an article. That's
Knowledge Limbo; which is very, very different to a keep !vote.
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Could you point us to the policy that says that, or is it just your opinion? For what it's worth, my opinion is that a Merge means that the content doesn't deserve its own article, but at the same time it shouldn't be deleted if possible. However, the merge target
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The title is what i came up with and i don't claim to be knowledgable on current en.wiki nomenclature conventions with respect to mathematical subjects. So shoot me for that mistake, if you must, but don't take it out on the article. The name is easy to change.
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From what I had read, the τ manifesto was only published on March 14 of this year. Also, we need to look at the bigger picture. If this article stays then it sets a president. People will be updating all of our articles with τ. We've already seen some
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notable uses of the Greek letter tau in mathematics. My first instinct was that this is not notable enough for its own article, due to this really just being a media blitz based on a fluff piece on a very small group of mathematicians. However,
382:. The fact that dust has been thrown up, means that the concept was deemed noteworthy by other (news)organisations, and quite a few, too. Besides... It's just a damn good idea and simplifies quite a number of things. Other symbols, such as
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1882:. There is no reason to have a separate article for this one term when it is one of a few criticisms of the use of pi (which are voiced by a SMALL minority of mathematicians) which are all essentially along the same line. So a
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to have its own article, it doesn't make sense: this is a stub article, little more than a dictionary definition with a couple lines of justification. Furthermore, unless this becomes a real movement (probably not), this will
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I thought this had been around for a few years, but maybe I'm wrong. I've heard of it from multiple independent sources, some of them not people who usually pay any attention to mathematics, so I'm slightly inclined to say
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2408:. This is an old issue that has made it in the news now. It looks like its a fringe issue because it dates back from before the internet era. It's not a huge issue, of course, but enough to merit a Wiki article about it.
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for me there's no real question that the proposal to use a symbol for 2π instead of π is notable. The questions are, does it deserve a whole article, and if so, what should that article be called? I think the name
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Let's please not get distracted talking about whether it's a good idea or not. That has no bearing on our decision; we cover (or don't cover) good ideas and bad ideas according to the same criteria. --
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No, a merge there is moot. The people who wanted that did so on the assumption that that page would continue to exist, and we can't know what they would want now unless/until they tell us.
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means turn. The media coverage makes it notable (media coverage is often capricious that way), but notability does not mean you should create content forks for every possible name.--
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fahrenheit rather than SI units, and see how resistant he is to change. Well, those who see this as frivolous are in many ways analogous to that very understandable stance.
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Scientist and BBC Radio 4 (and that's just in the UK). Those alone are enough to demonstraate
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If your concern is the visibility of the history to non-admins, merging the content somewhere but turning the page at this title into a redirect to somewhere else (e.g.
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Imho not notable as a math term (despite the recent coverage in some popular media). It could be mention as a side note in some other article though.--
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and wait a year to see if anyone even remembers this after that time. —
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1079:"La constante matemática pi tiene un rival: tau"
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1725:- end of story. We don't need articles for
1604:at least give one of the better reasons. :)
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1090:Michiel Hendryckx (June 30, 2011).
1077:Elizabeth Landau (March 14, 2011).
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1065:Eoin O'Carroll (March 14, 2011).
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