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408:). And as for "plot" (which you didn't me examples of your problems), Li Long's "Good Article" not only isn't much less detailed than this (compared only around 1-4 sentences for each main game in Taki's case) but manages to be confusing and inadequate by just not explaining things enough - actually only Taki's article provides explanation for things who was this "a woman named Chie" and the line "on the run from assassins sent by his former employer" that misleadingly suggests it's about the Chinese Emperor is just false (Taki's article explains what and why really happens - Li Long article's odd "While out one day, a fight broke out at the inn" is also directly related to Taki-Toki-Chie story). But that's a "Good Article" somehow - despite the reference using for it (this: 1070:"A shameful lack of due diligence"? That is a new one lol. I believe that further investigation should go into Japanese source given this is a character from a Japanese video game franchise; there could be possible be more information there, but I am uncertain due to the language barrier. Upon further examination of the sources, I am uncertain about the character's notability for a stand-alone article. However, I do not believe that deletion is the answer, as this is a viable source. I think that a redirect and selective merge to 693:
just a normal and approved way to talk to each other on Knowledge - while complaining about that is "hysterical behavior", and also calmly editing without breaking any rules or arguing with anyone, having been specifically asked by another editor (requested publicly, without anyone opposing this idea for months), "likely to result in sanctions"? And is that "BEBOLD" to be his excuse also to having just (boldly) lie to everyone? That's some questions for everyone here.
595:) 3 months earlier and finally split Siegfried. This was preceded by blatant vandalism when he just deleted the article without asking anyone (and I did report this act of vandalism, but this didn't have a real effect apparently as he's not quite gone away / blocked / whatever). I'd really like his to be sanctioned in some way. -- 1147:
This article has a good balance between real world and in-universe information. There is both positive and negative reception, the gameplay is mentioned from designer's point of view and there is some good creation information. I don't know if there's an example to follow but I think it surpasses the
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would be a far better answer than a deletion, if consensus goes against the character having a standalone article. I have struck my keep vote, but I am not going to cast a further/different vote either way; I had previously cast the vote due to the sources in the "Design and characteristics" section.
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I said "in the style a threat of physical violence" - if I said he's "gonna get raped", would it also going to be ignored because I can't actually penetrate him over the internet and it's only in the style of sexual violence threat? Is "You are cruising for a bruising. Grow up, as quickly as you can"
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By cruising for a bruising I meant that snake's behavior was likely to result in sanctions. I fail to see how it could be construed as athreat of physical violence, since even if it is possible to deliver a slapped wrist or even the dreaded Rear Admiral over the internet my technological knowledge is
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is a strategy to obscure that the article isn't about much of anything at all. Remove the sources that mention the character in passing and what's left? Lack of content is beyond mere "cleanup". Some of these paragraphs could be reduced to a single sentence and lose no important information. Indeed,
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and pointless details. There’s no way a general encyclopedia should be tracking all this minutiae about how her measurements/bust sizes (!?) have changed over the years, descriptions of all these different outfits she’s warn, etc. Making a determination on notability itself will take more time from
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Are you going to try to in any way excuse having just lied here, or are you just going to let me and everybody assume the worst about it? And are you going to provide an alternative excuse for your initial outburst of abuse against me, without me doing anything at all (having been busy researching
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to series character list or delete. I'd love to see the specific references/links upon which everyone above asserts this character's notability independent from others in the series. As far as I can tell, the character is only covered in context of other series characters (meaning that we should
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that only appeared in 2 games in this series (Taki's in 8, 7 of these playable, not counting spin-off games and guest appearances) and is actually even a "Good Article" despite only having a fraction of references) attack on me TheLongTone that began when I just did as asked/requested to do (see
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OK, I'm sorry. So I've cleanup-rewritten it for -3 KB overall (some stuff added but much more removed), but I just don't think what you call "plot" can be any radically less detailed without missing in my opinion essential details. Li Long's "good article" wasn't (and still isn't) even much less
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etc.) reported. I removed the weight (and added the blood type). Btw I actually have a lot of Japanese print material on the costumes and such from books and mags, but I have a difficult time translating it (I should really ask someone to do it for me). And as for measurements, even the "good
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Not exactly sure what you’re accusing me of, as I haven’t advocated deletion, and merely stated that the article is overly detailed, and needs trimming/cleanup, a sentiment shared with virtually all participants in this AFD as of writing this.
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I do not see how my rationale is "vague waving at sources" as you put it, as I clearly state that I believe the sources currently used in the article support its notability. We may disagree on it, but my statement was not vague.
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Rest assured, everything I said is in there, is in there. But if you refuse to acknowledge it in there, I’m sure you’ll have no problem when it’s trimmed out down the line.
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Most of "all these different outfits she’s warn" are not even mentioned, and these not mentioned are not named - only SC Woman is named, but only because it was widely
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The article direly needs to be cleaned up, but even then there's enough notability presented by many of the better sources to keep it around.--
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not up to it. Their hysterical behavior underlines their need to mature a bit, altho I don't see it happening.12:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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of the sources (e.g. UGO, FHM) are both RS and discuss the character outside the context of the games, but this is really on the edge.
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Where is the evidence for these claims? A handful of links with brief rationale would suffice, but vague waving at sources does not.
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cover the character proportionately in the existing list of series characters), in "top 10 babe" articles (which is not
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and everyone please note it's a part of a weird, extremely aggresive, totally unprovoked (our very first interaction:
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detailed while at the same time managed to be a "goof article". It could EASILY be so much more detailed, like
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I would not be opposed to a redirect, but I do not think it should be deleted as it is a viable search term.
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I had felt at the time those sources satisfied notability (just a further explanation of my previous vote).
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for further editing, and only learning about your existence from your instant threats on my talk page)?
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into a redirect. Than is not vandalism; my cited comment was a response to fanboi's revert of that edit.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Many of the keep votes don't focus on specific sources. Further discussion is required.
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and I suggest for you to try constructive things like that, instead of what you do. --
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has the height, despite this having not been commented on (Taki's was, in the book
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nevertheless worthy of being linked in an encyclopedia at all), or in patently
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Even if the article is kept, this needs to be trimmed way down. Way too much
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Valid or not, comments on editor conduct generally don't belong here at
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to allow cleanup or reduction of text, without raising debate to
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for example ("great schemer"? didn't say it's WELL written!). --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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https://soulcalibur.wikia.com/Taki/Original_Timeline#Biography
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Fancruft. A redirect to the list of characters is enough.
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Of the kind like the all 6 from the related Good Article
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To avoid further conflicts, then 665:It's a lie and he's lying. 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