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588:, there would be no Knowledge (XXG) (though, granted, this one is rather far from perfect). The obligation to improve an improvable article is not on anyone specifically. If it were, shouldn't it be first and foremost on those most distressed with the current state, i.e. the deletion !voters, in case it becomes clear that it is improvable? Your record of constructive work on Knowledge (XXG) is beyond question. I would work on this article if I had unlimited time. I like to believe that I am doing constructive work here, too, in the limited time I have, and whenever I am not caught up in deletion discussions. Sometimes on articles nominated for deletion in the past, sometimes on ones nominated now, sometimes somewhere else. Why should I specifically spend my time here and not there? Nominating an article for deletion is easy. Improving an article is quite a bit of work. If I !vote keep again at another deletion discussion, should I improve that, too? Should I abstain from deletion discussions because I am not personally improving all articles nominated for deletion? That doesn't feel right. 486:, p. 305-309, has a chapter dedicated to tarring and feathering, focussing mainly on folk tales/fairy tales/droll stories, but also includes the literature and comics we have here. If the notability issue should hinge on the title "popular culture" as opposed to "in fiction", why are leading a deletion discussion here rather than a what's-the-best-name-for-the-topic-discussion? So far for notability. As for 362:- Trivial collection of pop culture not suitable for an encyclopedia. If any actual relevant sources are provided, they should be explored in the main article in the context of a proper prose discussion on the topic. If it proves to have too much weight, then the topic can be split out at that time. Nothing in the article looks to be suitable for merging or retention. 512:"Theoretically, this could be fixed" is a rather useless observation if nobody actually fixes it. Considering that you made the same argument more than a year ago during the previous AfD and the article still hasn't been fixed—by you or anybody else—it rings rather hollow. I'm all in favour of turning garbage 629:
You are entitled to that opinion, which I don't share. The existence of this article in no way hinders anyone to create a better version from scratch if they like and don't want to use elements of the existing one. Would it change your opinion for the future if I were to "walk the walk" in this case?
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actually might. If you want there to be a decent article on this topic, you should either be in favour of deleting it and starting over from scratch or rewriting it from scratch without deletion. Arguing that it should be kept because it could theoretically be improved, when that demonstrably hasn't
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This article needs clean-up, trimming and sourcing, but there are a number of secondary sources available both on individual entries appearing, and appearances in fiction more broadly. Enough so that a non-stubby article could be created, so I don't see the problem with notability. So this article
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I disagree. When 99% if not 100% of existing content violates OR/MOS:POPCULT/etc., TNT is the solution. Granted, second to the total rewrite. But keeping a list of trivia b/c a related topic might be written from scratch is bad. Most editors who'd like to help won't bother, as they are afraid to
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Keeping a garbage (not just "imperfect") version of an article like this does not get us any closer to having a decent version of that article—if I were rewriting this to get it up to snuff, I would not keep any of the current content—but deleting the page so we may
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article is very likely possible, this article is certainly not it, and should not be preserved for such an attempt as even the few potentially notable examples have no sourced content discussing them here, and no information outside of "it happened in this thing".
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Yes, there is - as noted, there were sources provided at the previous AfD that demonstrated that the topic meets GNG. And as noted then, deletion is not cleanup.
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the topic, which would be a good thing since there is a dearth of editors who do so (the only ones I know of who somewhat regularly do so are
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is right: what you are doing is worse than useless, it's actively counterproductive to actually creating a decent article on this topic.
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has done nice rescues and rewrites in the past. Just saying. Feel free to point to others. Maybe we can form a proper ARS project :P --
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also being someone who does that makes perfect sense. Still, it would be nice if more editors would do this.
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the topic when they are brought to AfD—I have done so myself multiple times in the past, see e.g.
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08:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC) PS. Sources cited in prior Afd seem fine for expanding the artcle abou t
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improvement and doesn't take that much work if you have already located the necessary sources.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is an argument that should be avoided in a deletion discussion. If we were to delete all
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I'll do that as time permits. I am curious how much of the current entries will remain.
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which demonstrate that this topic has indeed been treated in the literature.
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delete the existing garbage. We need to provide them with the clean slate.
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and myself). I'm not asking you to write a 10,000-word, 100-reference
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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should be improved rather than deleted in accordance with
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status was done by Piotrus later), and when the AfD for
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No further edits should be made to this page. 318:Note: This discussion has been included in the 282:but are not obviously connected to the topic of 250:A mostly unreferenced collection of trivia aka 668:(the rest of the expansion and improvement to 534:WP:Articles for deletion/Supernovae in fiction 8: 124:Help, my article got nominated for deletion! 538:WP:Articles for deletion/Neptune in fiction 317: 284:Tarring and feathering in popular culture 817:which is more appropriately constructed. 133:Tarring and feathering in popular culture 70:Tarring and feathering in popular culture 76: 648:-style lists to proper prose articles 782:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 732:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 302:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 269:Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 813:. Would not object to a redirect to 24: 492:with this being just one example 341:per the sources provided at the 322:lists for the following topics: 109:Introduction to deletion process 1: 608:worked, is not constructive. 476:) 09:29, July 18, 2022 (UTC) 99:(AfD)? 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